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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 21:13:59 GMT
I actually do see a problem with 16 or 18 year old having naked pictures of themselves on their phone. Phones cannot just be lost orbstolen, but can be easily hacked as well. Kids that age often don't consider that. But I do think the punishment is extreme. It's stupid, but the learning effect could have been achieved in a less humiliating way. This is an important point, and I agree with what you say. But if a phone is stolen or hacked, it is the person who steals or hacks the phone that commits a crime, not the owner. The owner is being punished for a crime (sexually exploiting a minor) that he or she did not commit. I agree, I just think the boy did something stupid and teenagers should learn about what can happen with photos on mobile phones. But I agree that he did not commit a crime. But is someone committed the crime of hacking his phone, he would probably suffer a lot of the photo ended up being published on the internet.
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Post by Miisa on Oct 6, 2015 4:54:19 GMT
So if the phone is stolen and the picture is distributed everywhere, the photographer of this under-age porn cannot be prosecuted, as would normally be the case?
Can this person who both took the picture and is the target later sell this under-age porn? To a private collector, perhaps? Can this buyer then be prosecuted for being in possession of (and thus promoting the market for) under-age porn? Or is it all fine as the "victim" was ok with it? Can then poor children begin selling their likenesses for legal child porn?
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Post by tangent on Oct 6, 2015 15:15:06 GMT
My head hurts
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Post by Moose on Oct 6, 2015 15:17:50 GMT
I don't see how there is such a thing as 'legal child porn.' A person is either over the age of consent or they are not. If they are over the age of consent, in what what is taking pictures of them with their consent peddling child porn?
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Post by Miisa on Oct 6, 2015 16:02:20 GMT
Over the age of consent where the picture was taken? Or where people are looking at it?
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Post by Moose on Oct 6, 2015 17:02:00 GMT
I am not sure I see the distinction when it comes to sixteen year olds
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Post by Miisa on Oct 6, 2015 17:12:44 GMT
I have a sixteen-year-old. Waiting two years could make a world of difference. Or not, remains to be seen.
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Post by Moose on Oct 6, 2015 17:42:04 GMT
Heh well I hope you warned him (you prob don't need to - teenagers seem quite savvy these days) against taking nude pics of himself but still I am sure you'd not want him prosecuted if he did
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Post by ProdigalAlan on Oct 6, 2015 19:41:58 GMT
In the UK we have had to enact laws against what is called 'revenge porn'.
Put bluntly two people who are utterly in love and who just know that they will be together forever send each other intimate pictures of themselves.
In a surprising and totally unforeseen twist one of them gets tired of the other.m
In an even more surprising and unforeseen twist the spurned party is so hurt their love turns to a desire for revenge.
The whole of cyberspace is just waiting for those photographs and they will go viral.
In other words it's a damn fool stupid thing to do and one we have had to enact laws to prohibit.
So here we have two youngsters who have made a bad decision.
They have been given an option to attend a course which will enable them to make better decisions ( I really wish the UK would consider this option ). If they complete the course there is no criminal conviction and the slate is wiped clean.
What is wrong with that ?
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Post by Moose on Oct 6, 2015 20:33:43 GMT
What is wrong with is that in my opinion they've not broken the law. Being 'silly' is not breaking the law.
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Post by Moose on Oct 6, 2015 20:34:23 GMT
Revenge porn is a totally different thing btw. I have no problem with that being illegal. There was no question of such a thing in this case though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 20:59:12 GMT
Revenge porn is a totally different thing btw. I have no problem with that being illegal. There was no question of such a thing in this case though. I think Alan meant that revenge porn is made possible by sending each other naked pictures. And I think he has a point, but I also do think that there is still a distinction between doing something that is just stupid and something that is illegal.
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Post by Sarah W. on Oct 7, 2015 14:19:26 GMT
It seems like nude pictures are the modern equivalent of the compromising letters we read so much about in Victorian fiction.
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Post by Moose on Oct 7, 2015 16:25:10 GMT
lol that's a very astute point actually. I guess human beings will always find a way to do this sort of thing..
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Post by tangent on Oct 7, 2015 21:40:08 GMT
*grins*
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