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Post by whollygoats on Oct 31, 2015 16:01:25 GMT
Not to me. I know that in the US burgers are sometimes referred to as 'sandwiches' though. Yeah, well, technically they are. Meat, cheese, vegetables and condiments shoved between two pieces of bread. A burger IS a sandwich. Full stop. But I'm not surprised that they would be excluded here. Nobody wants to get in a pissing match over which is the best chain burger joint.
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Post by JoeP on Oct 31, 2015 16:11:21 GMT
When the bread is in the form of a roll or bun, the result is almost never called a sandwich here. It's called a roll. Or filled roll if you want to be pedanticist. Or burger.
Sandwich is only used when the pieces of bread are slices from a loaf.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 31, 2015 16:42:20 GMT
Wow...Different Venn diagrams.
For me, burgers are an entirely included subset of the set 'sandwiches', as are hoagies, subs, clubs, pockets, dogs, and wraps. I would include gyros and donars. A new trend in the commercial fast food outlets here is the flatbread sandwich. The style of bread varies considerably, as do the contents. It needn't even need meat and cheese, as innumerable 'veggie' options atest. For me, anything that is a bread used to hold a meal in one's hand to eat is basically a 'sandwich'.
For you, burgers somehow fall outside the 'sandwich' set? Sandwiches are distinguished from rolls based upon the bread? Okay. Curious, but not particularly surprising.
Note: If that is the case, Subway does not sell sandwiches, as it does not serve sliced bread.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Nov 1, 2015 2:33:39 GMT
Here a burger would never be considered a sandwich. In restaurants that sell both sandwiches and burgers, the burger would never fall under the sandwich section of the menu. I think the difference is more that a sandwich is a light meal whereas a burger is a full meal. Sandwiches would in general be considered sliced bread - but rolls/buns are usually still counted.
There are subways here but if I want a sandwich, I'd prefer to go to a normal shop to choose my bread and fillings. They tend to be better and one person serves you.
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Post by juju on Nov 1, 2015 8:46:23 GMT
I wouldn't consider a burger a sandwich either, but mostly for rb's reasons - I think because it is served hot, it feels more like a meal.
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Post by Miisa on Nov 1, 2015 9:02:50 GMT
Subway products are not considered sandwiches here either, let alone burgers, enchiladas or hot dogs.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Nov 1, 2015 9:27:59 GMT
Besides, they already have their own name, so no point in giving them another.
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Post by jayme on Nov 1, 2015 15:00:30 GMT
All of the above mentioned bread-held thingies mentioned above are sandwiches, which are meant to be eaten with one hand whilst playing cards with the other. If you offered me a roll, I would expect a thick, roundish piece of bread with nothing on it, which I would then have to split and butter myself, and eat one side at a time along with my meal.
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Post by tangent on Nov 1, 2015 15:52:20 GMT
Jayme can't eat a whole roll in one go. Sheesh.
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Post by Alvamiga on Nov 1, 2015 16:21:00 GMT
Ice cream sandwich... Now I want one!!!
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Post by tangent on Nov 1, 2015 22:27:00 GMT
It's a long time ago since I had one of those. Gosh, that must have been in the 1950s.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 2, 2015 1:02:35 GMT
More what I was used to, but the same idea.
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Post by tangent on Nov 2, 2015 1:10:50 GMT
The wafers in Alva's photo were very flimsy and presented no resistance when you bit into them so that the ice cream didn't squeeze out. Those biscuits in your photo, WG, look more substantial.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 2, 2015 1:27:25 GMT
They may look more substantial, but they are actually fairly soft. Under certain circumstances, the surface of the 'wafers' stuck to your fingertips. They have the consistancy of humidified graham crackers. Not crispy at all, as I imagine Alvamiga's wafers to be.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 2, 2015 14:34:25 GMT
I wouldn't consider a burger a sandwich either, but mostly for rb's reasons - I think because it is served hot, it feels more like a meal. And a sandwich can not be a meal? Served hot includes French dip, Reuben, many smoked meat sandwiches. Okay... Burgers are not sandwiches. Food on rolls are not sandwiches. I assume that food on buns is not sandwiches, neither. That means that Subways do not serve sandwiches. Nor does Arby's, which serves many of their offerings hot, any way. To go back to the original question, and given all the subsequent limitations on the concept, I'd have to say that there are no sandwich chains in the US. They do not exist. Those corporate food chains calling themselves sandwich outlets aren't really selling sandwiches like they advertise, but stuff that is made using some kind of unsliced bread. Oh, sure, you can go to many restaurants and maybe get a sandwich (as defined ITT), but it will be a restaurant or deli, not a 'sandwich chain'. Maybe some American on this this can suggest one? But the two big chains (aside from the vast number of burger chains) I can think of are evidently misrepresenting their products. (ETA: I just remembered Quizno's....but it is basically a slightly upscaled Subway. They don't use sliced bread, either.) 8^D}
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Post by juju on Nov 2, 2015 18:55:17 GMT
I guess it's one of those 'separated by a common language' things, like biscuits, jelly, and pudding.
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Post by Moose on Nov 2, 2015 19:25:34 GMT
Yeah .. I mean, I consider subway sandwiches even though they're not on sliced bread (NB to whomever mentioned flatbreads - my local subway has just started offering that too or so I noticed on a poster; never tried it). I guess I tend to think of sandwiches as cold food but of course you can have your sub toasted...and some of it (the meatball one for instance) is hot even if you don't have it toasted. So um. I give up
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 2, 2015 19:30:42 GMT
Heh...My point exactly, Moose.
And...Practically ALL 'breakfast sandwiches' of which I am aware are served hot. This is because they are usually a fried egg with cooked meat and melted cheese on some sort of bread (English muffins? Let's not even go there...). I don't think they'd be very popular served cold.
And I haven't even had the temerity to bring up 'open faced sandwiches'.
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Post by juju on Nov 2, 2015 19:52:45 GMT
'Breakfast sandwiches' is not a term we are familiar with in the UK. That's not to say we don't have hot things inside bread for breakfast. Bacon butty, sausage bap (with or without egg), various muffins... but they're not really called sandwiches here. Because, er, reasons already stated
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Post by Miisa on Nov 2, 2015 20:02:19 GMT
Here (open) sandwiches are common for breakfast. The only warm things people tend to have in the mornings are porridge and coffee. Even the idea of eating the stuff an English breakfast contains in the morning is bizarre (and rather gag-inducing) to most Finns. I'll have that stuff for lunch, and they still think it is too early for fried or fatty foods.
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Post by JoeP on Nov 2, 2015 20:45:19 GMT
I guess it's one of those 'separated by a common language' things, like biscuits, jelly, and pudding. Let's not get started on biscuits.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 2, 2015 21:46:47 GMT
I guess it's one of those 'separated by a common language' things, like biscuits, jelly, and pudding. Let's not get started on biscuits. No? Great with butter and honey, or slathered in hot sausage gravy. They are also used for making those 'breakfast sandwiches' by splitting and inserting scrambled eggs, cheese and meat. This is a COOKIE Monster, not a biscuit monster:
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Post by juju on Nov 2, 2015 22:02:25 GMT
Nice scones there.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 2, 2015 22:16:24 GMT
Nice scones there. Nah..."Round British scones can resemble North American biscuits in appearance, but scones traditionally rely on cold butter, while biscuits are more often made with other kinds of animal fat or vegetable shortening.[9] Also, while scones are frequently (but not always) sweet, and served with coffee and tea, biscuits are served more as a bread, often with breakfast in the South."
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Post by tangent on Nov 2, 2015 22:43:15 GMT
Morse code for P is . - - . colloquially known as the 'perfect sandwich'. One of the quite interesting things I learnt in the scouts.
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Post by Kye on Nov 2, 2015 23:03:24 GMT
The U.K: a land where tea can be a sandwich not a beverage...
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Post by raspberrybullets on Nov 3, 2015 0:41:32 GMT
Actually, I don't think I'd ever describe what you get from subway as a sandwich. Those are subs. Sandwich really needs to be bread.
Also, how does one eat a burger with one hand? It would have to be pretty tiny. They are so messy.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 3, 2015 3:15:00 GMT
Actually, I don't think I'd ever describe what you get from subway as a sandwich. Those are subs. Sandwich really needs to be bread.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 12:33:28 GMT
I think I had an ice cream sanndwich once. It was extremely messy. Too messy for me. I don't like getting my hands messy and as a little child, I sometimes cried when that happened.
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Post by jayme on Nov 4, 2015 13:05:38 GMT
From the Earl of Sandwich, of course.
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