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Post by whollygoats on Jan 22, 2016 3:45:05 GMT
Well...Since I basically don't give a shit, I never looked up anything about the asshole. But that does jibe with the curious note from one report that he'd joined the Army and been to basic and was assigned to Iraq, but was cashiered out a year later. (IIRC, all during reign of the W Cabal.) Sent home from the front. A veteran in the crowd I was in when we heard the report, piped up asking, "Who spends a year in the military?" Now I'm curious as to whether it was 'psychopath' or 'fortunate son', or some other excuse, that got him a quick trip back home. Did it mention what kind of discharge?
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Post by Moose on Jan 23, 2016 17:50:02 GMT
I didn't realise he'd only been there for a year though I've seen reports that he just worked as a driver out there (probably still not much fun and probably dangerous but he was not on the front line).
It's just so offensive to vets who genuinely have experienced horrendous things and do suffer from PTSD that she will excuse her thug son's violent behaviour in this way.
Incidentally I know that PTSD occurs in people who have not seen combat but in the unlikely event that he DID have it, it ain't nothing to do with Obama
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Post by tangent on Jan 24, 2016 6:33:56 GMT
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 24, 2016 15:39:26 GMT
'Unstoppable'? Hardly. Are you familiar with the primary schedule? If not, here it is. Remember, at this point, nobody anywhere has cast any vote. All that is available is speculation based upon polling techniques which are highly unreliable. Personally, I'd wait until after the first set of returns from the early March primaries are in before I'd even hazard a guess as to the probable direction(s) of the electorate.
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Post by Moose on Jan 24, 2016 18:15:08 GMT
But if polls are irrelevant, why are you telling us that Bernie is pulling ahead of Hilary?
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 24, 2016 18:51:55 GMT
But if polls are irrelevant, why are you telling us that Bernie is pulling ahead of Hilary? Really? Have I? I honestly don't remember, but I rarely give polls much credence. No matter who is touted. All I remember having said was that I'd believe it once votes were counted. I'm waiting to see actual returns; polls are merely grossly misleading fodder for idle chitchat. Not that there is anything wrong with idle chitchat. Could you point out said pronouncement?
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Post by Moose on Jan 24, 2016 20:16:40 GMT
Oh wait my bad *blushes*. It was Steve who posted that
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 25, 2016 5:15:41 GMT
Okay...You're forgiven.
I do talk about polls, so you could have seen one of my idle chitchat comments about some poll or another. But I'm very wary of polls.
If I believed polls, I'd be ecstatic by now. I'm not ecstatic.
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 25, 2016 5:22:15 GMT
Oh...it seems that Tiretrax Palin spent four years in the Army, including a stint in Iraq. However, reports are that he never saw combat and so never earned the combat ribbon for Iraq duty. The question now is if he has PTSD, where did he get it? It if is associated with military service, then it has nothing to do with Obama, as Tiretrax had returned home from the Army before Obama took office. From what I understand, Tiretrax Army duties were largely driving truck. I'm not sure how one gets PTSD driving truck in the Army. Details.
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Post by Moose on Jan 25, 2016 18:08:12 GMT
Yeah - if he has PTSD it's got sod all to do with Obama and she's taking the piss claiming it does
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Post by tangent on Jan 25, 2016 19:45:56 GMT
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 25, 2016 20:34:45 GMT
Um...outside of NYC, Bloomberg does not have much in the way of name familiarity. Unlike Trump. If he were to run, then he'd have to run as a party member, as non-party affiliation gets no traction whatsoever...see: Bernie, the nonaligned candidate, who requested of the Democtratic Party to run as a Democratic candidate. So, to get any traction whatsoever, he'll have to align with a party. Republican he was, Democratic he could, but beyond that he's no choice. If he runs as a Republican, then he has to run against Trump, further fracturing the Republican party. As a Democrat, he'd be a NYC Jew in a race with one in it already (Sanders) and a wannabe already beholden to the NY Jewish community for helping elect her to the Senate in their state (Hillabeans), so I find it doubtful he'll make much of an impression among Democrats if he decides to throw his hat in the ring.
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 26, 2016 16:37:50 GMT
Okay, wait. They're talking about Bloomberg running as an independent, if Cruz or Trump garner the Republican nomination. Against Bernie.
Y'know, he might draw away Republican voters who had fled the party to vote for anybody but Cruz/Trump, but were in the Democratic voter ranks entirely temporarily. The mass of Democratic voters would not bolt to vote for some formerly Republican New York billionaire. But if BBC thinks that jilted Democratic voters will flock to Bloomberg, they've another think coming. Outside NYC, he has no real familiarity; I had to look him up to confirm that he was who I thought he was.
By the bye, my non-USer friends...Have you noted the situation with the leading Democratic Party candidates being linked to the New York City nexus of US culture?
Bernie, when he speaks, is almost immediately identifiable to most Americans as having a New York City upbringing. His linguistic patterns betray it publicly. He fled his megaurban roots and wound up in Vermont. The tulies.
Hillary, of course, is the Indiana girl made good and linked up with a climber at an Ivy League school. After a stint as First Lady, she managed to wend her way in to the good graces of the electorate of New York state and get herself elected as a US Senator. Somehow. She and her husband live on Manhattan Island.
Electorally, both need running mates who can broaden their appeal to voters beyond the congested nexus of conurban megadevelopment. A westerner, or a southerner. Preferably from a state with a large electoral vote count which the running mate can deliver. If the running mate can offer up other 'balance' factors, like being female, or minority, all to the better.
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Post by jayme on Jan 27, 2016 4:18:38 GMT
Yeah - if he has PTSD it's got sod all to do with Obama and she's taking the piss claiming it does He surely got PTSD from being brought up by his mother.
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Post by juju on Jan 27, 2016 8:15:06 GMT
Would Elizabeth Warren be up for a running mate?
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Post by Alvamiga on Jan 27, 2016 12:07:24 GMT
Yeah - if he has PTSD it's got sod all to do with Obama and she's taking the piss claiming it does He surely got PTSD from being brought up by his mother. Post traumatic stress involves the trauma having happened. If it was due to being her son, it'd be ongoing!
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 27, 2016 18:17:40 GMT
Would Elizabeth Warren be up for a running mate? I certainly hope not. This keeps getting tossed around and Elizabeth Warren (I call her 'Liz') has been coy about responding to it. I wanted Liz to run for President. She declined and Bernie stepped up. I personally think that Liz should be a major component of any Democratic administration which might evolve. I think that she should be given adequate powers to push forward her agendas on controlling the economic parasites and returning powers to the People. I tend to think that she would flourish as an Attorney General to revitalize a moribund Antitrust Section and do some trust-busting. Alternatively, she would be a superb Treasury Secretary, directing the development of policy which governs the nation's financial resources. Of course, I think Robert Reich would do well at the latter, as well. I think that Liz should be allowed to select her tool and given her head. None of this includes being Vice President. The office of Vice President is largely a dead end. The job is presiding over the Senate and you only get to vote in the instance of a tie. One of FDR's VPs typified the job as having the value of 'a bucket of warm piss'. It only pays off if your sponsor keels over dead. Why in the world would Sanders, or Clinton, even, want to muzzle the best voice the American People have in the Senate by making her the Vice President? That's just nucking futz. And...politically, the VP nominee is a means of obtaining some kind of intra-party 'balance', often geographical. Warren represents Massachusetts. Sanders represents neighboring Vermont and Clinton lives in, and has represented, neighboring New York. The two Democratic contenders need 'balance'. Bernie could use a woman or a minority. Clinton could use a minority. Both need to have a running mate from either the South or the West. Selecting Warren just shoots either candidate in the foot. A running mate from a big vote state would help Bernie, too...like California. I'm going to push for Liz to NOT be the VP nominee. The ticket I've heard trotted out is Sanders-O'Malley. Martin O'Malley, the number three candidate in the Democratic primaries, is marginally a Southerner, having been the governor of the state of Maryland, a state for which the Mason-Dixon Line serves as its northern boundary. Maryland, however, is not a 'big vote count' state (like Hillabeans' home state, New York) and it leaves the ticket with two white guys, even though Bernie himself qualifies on the 'minority' scale - he's Jewish. Personally, I think that presiding in the Senate would be a great job for Jerry Brown....but that would make the ticket two OLD white guys. If Bernie does not obtain the nomination and returns to the Senate, then he and Liz should make Senate careers of keeping the collective feet to the fire (because I expect it to be grim). I DO, however, think that we should all think of Elizabeth Warren as the 'heir apparent' of the progressive initiative.
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Post by Moose on Jan 28, 2016 0:22:53 GMT
I've heard the name but don't associate it with anything particularly. May I have the potted version?
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 28, 2016 1:08:19 GMT
I've heard the name but don't associate it with anything particularly. May I have the potted version? Well, I've mentioned Liz, Martin O'Malley, or Jerry Brown. Which?
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Post by Moose on Jan 28, 2016 1:20:42 GMT
I meant Elizabeth thingy but as I've never heard of any of them, indulge me.
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 28, 2016 6:21:36 GMT
Okay...
Liz is Elizabeth Warren. Senator Elizabeth Warren. She is a 66 year old white female. She is presently one of the two US Senators representing the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
"She is a member of the Democratic Party, and was previously a Harvard Law School professor specializing in bankruptcy law. A prominent legal scholar, Warren is among the most cited in the field of commercial law. She is an active consumer protection advocate whose scholarship led to the conception and establishment of the U.S. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Warren has written a number of academic and popular works, and is a frequent subject of media interviews regarding the American economy and personal finance.
Following the 2008 financial crisis, Warren served as chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel created to oversee the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP). She later served as Assistant to the President and Special Advisor to the Secretary of the Treasury for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau under President Barack Obama. During the late 2000s, she was recognized by publications such as the National Law Journal and the Time 100 as an increasingly influential public policy figure."
She is a spellbinding speaker on exceedingly arcane financial policy topics and has been fighting the financial giants on behalf of the American consumer for years.
Former Governor Martin O'Malley...let's call him 'Marty'.
What I know about Marty is that he is the former governor of the state of Maryland. He is a 53 year old white male. I believe he was mayor of Baltimore prior to his stint as governor. He is a Democrat. He has been the third, and largely ignored, presence on the Democratic debate stages. In my view, he is perfect Vice President nominee fodder, if only he came from a large state.
Governor Jerry Brown, Jr.
Well, Jerry is Jerry. He is the current and former governor of the great state of California. He is a 77 year old white Roman Catholic male who comes from a long line of Democrats, his father having served as governor of California before he had. The younger Brown has also twice run for the Democratic nomination for president, losing the first to Jimmy Carter and the second to Bill Clinton. Yes, he is popular enough in California to have garnered election a second time.
But hey...Jerry is older than Bernie and Bernie, if nominated and elected, will be the oldest president to take office. Maybe Jerry would like to put his feet up in the Senate and see what shit he can stir?
Jerry has what Bernie really needs, though. California.
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Post by tangent on Jan 31, 2016 23:57:59 GMT
My prediction for the Republican nomination, based on what happened in the Iowa caucus in 2012: Initial results of the Iowa caucus will report that Donald Trump beats Ted Cruz by just eight votes. But when the final results come out in two weeks time, Ted Cruz will have secured the victory over Trump by a margin of 34 votes, with Marco Rubio in a strong third position. Results will be certified by the caucus but not by the Republican party who will declare it a split decision due to missing reports from eight precincts, but who will later certify the caucus as a win for Rubio. The caucus winner will change yet again when the Iowa delegate totals are finally determined, giving Jeb Bush the win. See Wikipedia.
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Post by whollygoats on Feb 1, 2016 3:41:55 GMT
My prediction for the Republican nomination, based on what happened in the Iowa caucus in 2012: Initial results of the Iowa caucus will report that Donald Trump beats Ted Cruz by just eight votes. But when the final results come out in two weeks time, Ted Cruz will have secured the victory over Trump by a margin of 34 votes, with Marco Rubio in a strong third position. Results will be certified by the caucus but not by the Republican party who will declare it a split decision due to missing reports from eight precincts, but who will later certify the caucus as a win for Rubio. The caucus winner will change yet again when the Iowa delegate totals are finally determined, giving Jeb Bush the win. See Wikipedia. Entirely within the realm of possibility. I have no idea what Iowa Republicans are going to do. Were I faced with their choices, I'd shut myself in the outhouse and read the catalog and refuse to exit until the caucuses were over.
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Post by Moose on Feb 1, 2016 20:11:48 GMT
I might be tempted to refuse to exit ever.
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Post by ProdigalAlan on Feb 1, 2016 21:49:41 GMT
Without wanting to make a case either for or against Donald Trump, something is being forgotten. This man is a major employer of people, both in the US and, to a much lesser extent, here in the UK. What I saw of his buildings in Chicago I liked and even admired. In a world where ordinary people need employment that is no bad thing. He puts food on the table and money in pockets. He's successful at it. Whatever Donald Trump may or may not be he is not an imbecile.
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Post by whollygoats on Feb 1, 2016 22:27:31 GMT
Excuse me. Trump is not the only candidate in the GOP presidential primaries run...there are actually scarier.
I fully expect this whole fracas to end in some kind of brokered Republican convention that will anoint somebody like Marco Rubio.
The plutocrats will dump shiploads of money on buying all manner of politicians.
I'm hoping the Donald will have a snit at being snubbed and run independently. Woo...That would be the best. A hoot, even.
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Post by whollygoats on Feb 1, 2016 22:38:55 GMT
Whatever Donald Trump may or may not be he is not an imbecile. Well, I've always known him to be an arrogant asshole blowhard. The whole racist hatemonger is a bit new to me. "Make America Hate Again"
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Post by whollygoats on Feb 1, 2016 22:54:54 GMT
I think I've finally figured out what has been causing my uneasy response to seeing Carly Fiorina in video media.
It's that every time I see her ranting visage, I expect to spot the flying winged monkeys.
I also feel the urge to find a full mop bucket.
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Post by jayme on Feb 2, 2016 0:34:59 GMT
Fiorina is a graduate of the, "the meaner I am to the person who asks me the question, the righter I am, even though my pants are always on fire" school of public speaking.
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Post by jayme on Feb 2, 2016 3:45:13 GMT
Cruz has won in Iowa.
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