Post by whollygoats on Oct 18, 2017 18:35:10 GMT
So.
During my foray through what we tend to reference here in the U.S. as "the Lake District", I garnered a bit of confusion about local geographic vernaculars.
In particular, since I heard everyone referring to 'Cumbria' as the all-encompassing political subdistrict which included 'the Lake District' and the adjunct areas, including Carlisle, Kendal, Cockermouth, Whitehaven, and Barrow.
On my way to Whitehaven, I passed through a city, Barrow-in-Furness, which has the dashes in the name. I assumed that this located this particular Barrow, which there must be many, to be the one in Furness. It didn't really register at the time.
Then, during my stay in Windemere, I booked a tour over multiple mountain passes throughout Cumbria, including Wrynose Pass, where we first stopped at the Three Shire Stone:
Where, I was told, three shires met at this point....Lancashire, Westmorland, and Cumberland.
But, wait....This is the middle of Cumbria.
So this area is where the infamous high rent district of 'Westmoreland' in the US comes from. And, of course, Cumberland Gap. Still. I would never consider it to be part and parcel of Lancashire. Then, looking at a map of 'Furness', I see that Barrow is in 'Low Furness' and Hawkeshead and Coniston are in 'High Furness' and together, along with locales like Newby Bridge and Haverthwaite, in Cartmel, were, at one point in time, all attached to Lancashire, as 'North Lonsdale' with its administrative center at Lancaster. IIRC, Jo and Colin live in 'Copeland', the adminstrative district to the west and north of Furness.
Neither 'Cumberland', nor 'Westmorland' exist any longer. Lancashire certainly has no borders anywhere near Wrynose Pass. The 'Cumberland' and 'Westmorland' aspects of the Three Shire Stone have disappeared. The entities themselves were evidently smooshed together to form the greater 'Cumbria', with Carlisle as its seat, and they passed in to oblivion and history. 'North Lonsdale' has been subsumed in the Furness, and thence the greater Cumbria. I won't even ask about 'South Lonsdale', as nobody seems to even want to talk about it. *shifts eyes furtively both directions*
And....Doesn't 'Cumbria' sound awfully close to 'Cymru'? Conspiracy, no?
During my foray through what we tend to reference here in the U.S. as "the Lake District", I garnered a bit of confusion about local geographic vernaculars.
In particular, since I heard everyone referring to 'Cumbria' as the all-encompassing political subdistrict which included 'the Lake District' and the adjunct areas, including Carlisle, Kendal, Cockermouth, Whitehaven, and Barrow.
On my way to Whitehaven, I passed through a city, Barrow-in-Furness, which has the dashes in the name. I assumed that this located this particular Barrow, which there must be many, to be the one in Furness. It didn't really register at the time.
Then, during my stay in Windemere, I booked a tour over multiple mountain passes throughout Cumbria, including Wrynose Pass, where we first stopped at the Three Shire Stone:
Where, I was told, three shires met at this point....Lancashire, Westmorland, and Cumberland.
But, wait....This is the middle of Cumbria.
So this area is where the infamous high rent district of 'Westmoreland' in the US comes from. And, of course, Cumberland Gap. Still. I would never consider it to be part and parcel of Lancashire. Then, looking at a map of 'Furness', I see that Barrow is in 'Low Furness' and Hawkeshead and Coniston are in 'High Furness' and together, along with locales like Newby Bridge and Haverthwaite, in Cartmel, were, at one point in time, all attached to Lancashire, as 'North Lonsdale' with its administrative center at Lancaster. IIRC, Jo and Colin live in 'Copeland', the adminstrative district to the west and north of Furness.
Neither 'Cumberland', nor 'Westmorland' exist any longer. Lancashire certainly has no borders anywhere near Wrynose Pass. The 'Cumberland' and 'Westmorland' aspects of the Three Shire Stone have disappeared. The entities themselves were evidently smooshed together to form the greater 'Cumbria', with Carlisle as its seat, and they passed in to oblivion and history. 'North Lonsdale' has been subsumed in the Furness, and thence the greater Cumbria. I won't even ask about 'South Lonsdale', as nobody seems to even want to talk about it. *shifts eyes furtively both directions*
And....Doesn't 'Cumbria' sound awfully close to 'Cymru'? Conspiracy, no?