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Post by Moose on Jul 21, 2018 20:13:13 GMT
Hmm well, he's still a twat
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Post by juju on Jul 21, 2018 23:20:00 GMT
I don't think he deliberately snubbed her. I think he's just such a dork he didn't even realise what he was supposed to do, or where she was in relation to him.
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Post by Mari on Jul 22, 2018 4:23:39 GMT
What Juju said. I mean, do you really think he took the time to read up on protocol? It would have taken precious time of his self aggrandization.
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Post by whollygoats on Jul 22, 2018 4:38:59 GMT
'Read up'?
I rather agree with Samantha Bee....I think he's partially illiterate. He certainly doesn't like to read. I think he finds it far too taxing.
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Post by juju on Jul 22, 2018 9:33:38 GMT
Serious question: do you think there's *anything* Trump could now do now to lose favour with his supporters? How many blind eyes do they have?
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Post by tangent on Jul 22, 2018 15:21:10 GMT
Adverse criticism is simply fake news. Although accepting Putin over the FBI came close for a few moments.
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Post by Moose on Jul 22, 2018 19:37:40 GMT
I pointed out a falsehood someone posted about Obama on facebook yesterday and the person simply replied that Snopes was just as 'crooked' as Obama and Hilary and I was a fool to take it seriously. Cognitive dissonance.
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Post by juju on Jul 22, 2018 21:19:27 GMT
The truth has a liberal bias
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Post by tangent on Jul 22, 2018 21:57:17 GMT
I just wonder, if you publish news objectively, it does have a liberal bias because, by nature, the world is always changing.
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Post by Moose on Jul 22, 2018 23:14:18 GMT
Maybe there's no such thing as totally objective news. It's hard to find something that does not have at least some bias.
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Post by whollygoats on Jul 23, 2018 3:34:05 GMT
The very process of selecting what is 'news' and what is not is biased.
'News' as we have it now is pretty negative in that it tends to report the sensational and attention-getting, rather than truly 'news-worthy'.
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Post by juju on Jul 23, 2018 10:37:54 GMT
Snopes is supposed to be a neutral fact checking site, but I've also seen it criticised by the right.
It's getting a bit scary/ridiculous when there's no longer anything that can be seen as an objective fact, and if the facts don't suit then they're obviously 'fake'.
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Post by tangent on Jul 23, 2018 19:29:19 GMT
Snopes is supposed to be a neutral fact checking site, but I've also seen it criticised by the right. It may be that Snopes asks its readers for its subject matter, in which case it is most likely going to challenge conservative views and conservatives are bound to criticise it.
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Post by Moose on Jul 24, 2018 21:24:07 GMT
I think people submit stuff to them but I am not totally sure .
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Post by robert on Jul 26, 2018 10:17:55 GMT
The GOP are going to be thoroughly slaughtered in our mid term elections in November. Trump has managed to dismantle any appeal for his own party.
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Post by tangent on Jul 26, 2018 13:59:18 GMT
Hi Robert, nice to see you. I see you posted this in September two years ago. I honestly can't see Trump winning in November. I am surprised at the support he has received, and find it appalling that my country has so many people seriously supporting him. However, I don't see him winnning. He is far too unliked and despised by most to get the necessary electoral votes to win. Well, well, well, what do you think of him now? The GOP are going to be thoroughly slaughtered in our mid term elections in November. Trump has managed to dismantle any appeal for his own party. In view of your prediction two years ago, do you still think Trump has managed to dismantle any appeal for his own party?
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Post by Kye on Jul 26, 2018 17:06:23 GMT
People are afraid of losing their dream of prosperity and they're looking for easy answers, especially answers that blame the people they don't like anyway, like immigrants and people of colour. Trump is providing those easy answers in spades. It doesn't really matter that he's wrong. The people who support him don't care.
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Post by Moose on Jul 26, 2018 19:29:39 GMT
Despite the mess he has made of things I am not going to be complacent. There are still a hell of a lot of people out there who like him.
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Post by juju on Jul 26, 2018 19:46:17 GMT
We have the same situation closer to home. Experts have stated that Brexit will cause horrendous problems, especially with no deal in place (a distinct possibility), but leave voters are still baying for the government to walk away now. It's hard to know whether they are blindly optimistic or wilfully ignorant.
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Post by robert on Jul 26, 2018 20:22:29 GMT
Hi Robert, nice to see you. I see you posted this in September two years ago. I honestly can't see Trump winning in November. I am surprised at the support he has received, and find it appalling that my country has so many people seriously supporting him. However, I don't see him winnning. He is far too unliked and despised by most to get the necessary electoral votes to win. Well, well, well, what do you think of him now? The GOP are going to be thoroughly slaughtered in our mid term elections in November. Trump has managed to dismantle any appeal for his own party. In view of your prediction two years ago, do you still think Trump has managed to dismantle any appeal for his own party? Well firstly I wasn't the only one blind-sided by his support over Clinton, which we all know had much to do with the negative numbers of Clinton. I honestly at the time didn't think he stood a chance of winning even though Clinton, the weaker dem candidate, was one of the most unliked candidates in history. Secondly, one cannot say for certain anything. However, his support even among his base has slipped significantly as well as the opposition base has significantly increased. The GOP candidates running are not Trump, first and foremost, and we must remember that the disfust for Trump could motivate the nonvoters to turn out to clean house so to speak.
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Post by spaceflower on Jul 30, 2018 11:41:46 GMT
I think spaceflower is a Russian troll. What do you mean by that?
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Post by whollygoats on Jul 30, 2018 12:13:47 GMT
I think spaceflower is a Russian troll. What do you mean by that? "Who among the Republican politicians dares go against Trump unless they are retiring? He is very popular among the Republican voters. He can do anything. And he has lowered the taxes." You wrote that. You are the apologist for the mango shitgibbon in this thread....ergo, you are most likely to be a Russian troll.
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Post by spaceflower on Jul 30, 2018 12:20:20 GMT
I just stated facts. I don't appreciate Trump. Nobody in Sweden does except for Swedendemocrats. I think you are rude and biassed.
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Post by whollygoats on Jul 30, 2018 12:43:55 GMT
I just stated facts. I don't appreciate Trump. Nobody in Sweden does except for Swedendemocrats. I think you are rude and biassed. Yeah? I'm fucking biased, all right. Biased against Russian trolls like you who have problems with 'facts'.
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Post by spaceflower on Jul 30, 2018 12:51:08 GMT
Ruder and ruder. Which facts have I stated which are incorrect?
Your calling me a Russian troll is not a fact, it is an insult.
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Post by whollygoats on Jul 30, 2018 13:19:51 GMT
Well...You are repeating Russian propaganda...."He can do anything."
Bullshit.
If you haven't noticed, for more than the past twelve months, there has been an ongoing investigation in to things he has done or authorized. It is called the 'Mueller Investigation'...check it out. So far, there are a handful of guilty pleas and a whole slough of indictments and probably more to come. So, your claim that 'he can do anything' is just so much shitty Russian propaganda.
As for 'tax cuts'....that's possibly the case if you are part of the kleptonomic plutocrats that form the major support for the kaskistocracy that the mango shitgibbon brought in to the halls of power. I certainly did not realize any tax benefits, nor did a majority of US taxpayers. Instead, they all just got shaken down by the kleptonomic plutocrats working in cahoots with Russian agents. So, you a merely aping the nonsense grunted by the head dipshit of the kaskitocracy....being a Russian troll.
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Post by tangent on Jul 30, 2018 18:14:14 GMT
Who among the Republican politicians dares go against Trump unless they are retiring? He is very popular among the Republican voters. He can do anything. And he has lowered the taxes. The first part of spaceflower's statement is obviously true, Republican politicians cannot disagree with Trump's policies without risking their jobs. The second part, 'he can do anything' is also true if you look at it in the eyes of a die-hard Republican. The 'Mueller Investigation' means nothing to my die-hard Republican Facebook friends, it is a product of the liberal media, including lies and fake news, and they back him up to the hilt. Whatever you feel about it, they do believe 'he can do anything'. As far as lowering taxes is concerned, he has done that for some sections of society and that's all that matters to my die-hard Republican friends. I don't agree with everything spaceflower says but she has the right to state her opinion, if honestly made, without being shouted down.
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Post by robert on Jul 30, 2018 19:36:56 GMT
There are dozens of Republicans that oppose and have opposed Trump. But there are far too many that stand by him on party lines in spite of how dangerous he is. I suppose we will all see what happens in November. I am hoping opposition to the GOP turn out significantly more than Trump's ugly base! My sister and brother in law both support him and it sickens me.
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Post by Moose on Jul 30, 2018 19:50:14 GMT
I think Spaceflower has a point really .. and I don't think she is a fan of Trump .But unfortunately he DOES seem able to keep getting away with shite that we hope would be enough to bring him down. I can't believe he's weathered the storm over what happened in Helsinki .. I mean, seriously? How could his supporters have just closed their eyes to that?
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Post by robert on Jul 30, 2018 20:49:15 GMT
Did Trump really snub the Queen? I doubt that (though he has done so many other things). As the British Royal Family’s web site states, “There are no obligatory codes of behaviour when meeting The Queen or a member of the Royal Family, but many people wish to observe the traditional forms.” These “traditional forms” include bowing and curtseying (although simply shaking hands is acceptable), and addressing the Queen as “Your Majesty” on first greeting and as “Ma’am” subsequently. That is the extent of the etiquette listed on the Royal Family’s own web site. www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-protocol-queen-elizabeth/Who among the Republican politicians dares go against Trump unless they are retiring? He is very popular among the Republican voters. He can do anything. And he has lowered the taxes. Though in all fairness, you have to admit that the thumbs down response from Senator McCain in voting against repealing Obamacare was classic! And a good example of some Republicans going against Trump (though this was more a thumbing down against Mitch McConnell-my state representative *cringes)
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