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Post by Moose on Feb 23, 2019 23:11:32 GMT
I managed to get embroiled in an argument with an anti Corbyn friend of a friend... I regret that. Personally I am inclined to be on the fence - though on the Corbyn side of it - but I would be interested to know what people think about the accusations of anti-semitism in the Party?
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 1, 2019 2:34:17 GMT
Are they any more anti-Semitic than the Tories?
Is not pounding the drum to round up and deport all the Arabs an 'anti-Semitic' initiative?
Are not the depredations of the State of Israel upon hapless Palestinians within their borders 'anti-Semitic' activities.
Remember, Arabic is Semitic, as is Hebrew. The Israelis and their most intimate enemies are all Semites.
So...When somebody accuses another of being 'anti-Semitic', it causes a certain level of skepticism in my mind. I need to know more, because the problem is complex, not simple, like all too many wish to make it.
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 1, 2019 16:25:49 GMT
I note that Peter Wilding posted up an article on FB about how the courts in the UK have deemed May and Tories' 'Hostile Environment' legislation to be overtly racist.
That seems to me to be far more explicit and overt than some rumor about some Labour Party member attitudes.
I'm still waiting for a description of this 'anti-Semitism' in the Labour Party. I'm guessing it's because one or more Labourites attacked the state of Israel for their depredations upon Palestinians.
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Post by tangent on Mar 1, 2019 22:43:49 GMT
I'm still waiting for a description of this 'anti-Semitism' in the Labour Party. Not now, I'm packing for a flight to Germany tomorrow morning.
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 2, 2019 0:20:59 GMT
Interesting...Moose mentions a topic, I suggest more information is needed, then tangent avers being unable to provide it.
Did I miss something there?
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 2, 2019 1:22:35 GMT
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Post by Moose on Mar 2, 2019 6:46:13 GMT
I believe Steve is on his way to Claudia's son's Christening
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 2, 2019 15:25:33 GMT
Okay.
I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread.
I'm not sure why it is Steve has announced that he is indisposed to answer a query which was not even directed at him.
So, for the time being, I am going to consider all this shit about "anti-Semitism in the Labour Party" to be nothing but a baseless and slanderous rumor....probably spread by Tory asshats.
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Post by ceptimus on Mar 2, 2019 20:51:58 GMT
Like most long-running stories, there's a grain of truth in it. There are some activists in the Labour party who are anti-Jew; maybe even one or two MPs.
But it's mainly a smear campaign against Corbyn: he doesn't wish to support Israel, and in the eyes of some Jewish lobbyists (and a few Jewish MPs) you must give wholehearted support to everything Israel says or does - and if not you are anti-Semitic. Some of the anti-Corbyn people are said to be financially supported by Israel: I suspect that is true but I don't have any proof.
All the old Blairites in the Labour party who hate Corbyn and have tried repeatedly and unsuccessfully to get rid of him by other means, have now jumped on the bandwagon saying that the Labour party, under his control, has become more anti-Semitic. They're aided and supported by the always hostile right-wing newspapers who are always ready to report anything seen as anti-Corbyn, even when it's mostly just rumour, hearsay, and quotes from unnamed sources. You would expect other political parties to use all means, short of obvious lies, to attack Labour, and indeed these other parties have droned on about, 'the problems of anti-Semitism in the Labour party' at every opportunity.
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 2, 2019 22:28:03 GMT
Thank you, ceptimus. What you report is much as I had expected.
We have AIPAC in this country. Don't even get me started...
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Post by Mari on Mar 3, 2019 2:50:19 GMT
It somehow reminds me of the anti bernie sanders sentiments during the elections a few years ago, also in how the media portray them. Or am I completely off track seeing parallels here?
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