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Post by Moose on Oct 11, 2013 20:25:23 GMT
Steve I think avoiding Cluedo is really going a bit far...?
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Post by tangent on Oct 11, 2013 21:27:23 GMT
A game that celebrates murder? I don't think so. Is murder really that cheap?
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Post by Moose on Oct 11, 2013 21:50:07 GMT
It does not celebrate murder. I think that you are actually cheapening murder by saying such a thing
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Post by tangent on Oct 11, 2013 23:38:13 GMT
Oh look, granny's died, let's have a game of Cluedo to see who mighta dunnit.
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Post by Moose on Oct 12, 2013 0:50:10 GMT
have you played Cluedo Steve?
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Post by Miisa on Oct 12, 2013 5:17:21 GMT
When it comes to having a hypothetical fictional crime, with a fictional victim, it is a mystery like any other, not a tragedy. Of course all detective stories could be about who stole the bunch of bananas from the corner store, but it would not grip and engage people the same way as a more serious crime with repercussions for the rest of the characters does. The murder itself is not revelled in, and in most mysteries never shown.
Can you enjoy any stories that contain any crimes, say a bank robbery or elaborate heist?
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Post by Alvamiga on Oct 12, 2013 8:06:59 GMT
I always look at these things as triumph over adversity, good over evil, right over wrong.
There are far worse things in the world than fictional crime and violence.
I still insist that the death of Mr Black in Cluedo was hearsay, as I've never been allowed to investigate the scene of the crime!
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Post by tangent on Oct 12, 2013 17:02:47 GMT
I used to play Cluedo as a child and I enjoyed it but gradually I reflected on what it represented and couldn’t dissociate it from real life. But I would not stop my children playing it. When it comes to having a hypothetical fictional crime, with a fictional victim, it is a mystery like any other, not a tragedy. I don’t see this. I live out the drama and imagine myself as one of the characters taking part or perhaps as a fly on the wall. I expect to see death portrayed by the true gravity it deserves, as it is in Shakespeare’s tragedies (or some of them, I haven’t read them all). I expect to see close relatives being shocked and stunned with their bereavement, as I imagine they are in Dickens novels. Death is an intrinsic part of life and we must not exclude it but the drama must portray the tragedy as though it had happened in real life. So often it does not. In Agatha Christie’s Miss Marple stories, for example, death is treated flippantly as though it were a game. Can you enjoy any stories that contain any crimes, say a bank robbery or elaborate heist? Yes, I rather enjoyed Goldie Hawn in "The Heist" (1971) (also known as Dollars, Der Millionenraub, Kuuma keikka and Tappavat setelit). I always look at these things as triumph over adversity, good over evil, right over wrong. The triumph over adversity ethic is as apparent and as significant in the Miss Marple stories as a minnow in an ocean. It's there but you wouldn't know it.
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Post by Moose on Oct 12, 2013 18:14:11 GMT
I see Cluedo as being simply a puzzle. The game could be easily made to centre around something else
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Post by Moose on Oct 12, 2013 18:14:31 GMT
I see Cluedo as being simply a puzzle. The game could be easily made to centre around something else
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Post by Miisa on Oct 12, 2013 20:12:39 GMT
Indeed, I think I pointed out the one version of Cluedo based on a tv show I saw where you had to figure out who had done what with what object belonging to another character. I actually find that one more upsetting, as people touching and messing with my stuff is much more realistic and closer to home for me than a murder where I know neither the victim nor the suspects.
I watched the conclusion of a murder mystery show today that was heart-wrenching, upsetting, realistic and raw emotion. Not "entertainment"in the fun sense, but definitely something I enjoyed for the vicarious emotions.
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Post by tangent on Oct 12, 2013 20:17:50 GMT
That, I can take.
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Post by JoeP on Oct 12, 2013 20:27:43 GMT
Indeed, I think I pointed out the one version of Cluedo based on a tv show I saw where you had to figure out who had done what with what object belonging to another character. I actually find that one more upsetting, as people touching and messing with my stuff is much more realistic and closer to home for me than a murder where I know neither the victim nor the suspects. It was YOUR MOTHER in the KITCHEN with the POST-IT NOTE!
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Post by Alvamiga on Oct 12, 2013 20:49:14 GMT
In my case...
THE DOG with the MOTORCYCLE GLOVE in the BEDROOM. Grrrrrrrrr!
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Post by Yuki on Nov 3, 2013 11:56:11 GMT
I watched that movie last year.. I only did because it was classified as sci-fi; I didn't know it had gore and stuff, but I had to finish it anyway.. -__-
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 7:55:08 GMT
I watched it a few years ago because Frank had worked on props for it.
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Post by tangent on Nov 22, 2013 10:00:52 GMT
Props that we can see in the film?
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Post by Moose on Nov 22, 2013 18:04:27 GMT
cool!
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Post by Alvamiga on Nov 22, 2013 21:16:09 GMT
Here is the mandatory prop joke... couldn't find a picture from Top Secret!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 7:18:15 GMT
Props that we can see in the film? I think he and someone else did the lights on the space ship.
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Post by tangent on Nov 23, 2013 14:22:03 GMT
It isn't a film I would want to watch but if it were I'd look out for them
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 7:51:09 GMT
Id did look out for them because it was pretty much the only reason I watched the film.
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Post by Shake on Jan 7, 2014 22:37:12 GMT
To the o.p.: loved the title, hated the film.
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Post by Moose on Feb 21, 2014 18:39:03 GMT
I quite enjoyed both . Was thinking of rewatching it this weekend maybe. Claudia do you have any stills of Franks stuff?
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