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Post by juju on May 9, 2014 9:16:22 GMT
I have a friend (mostly only on FB now, though I used to know her in R/L) that seems to believe every conspiracy theory going. I'd block her only I'm quite fascinated with some of the more outlandish ones, which she seems to post daily. She is a passionate and noisy advocate of the chemtrails theory, but here's a few other things that have been 'revealed' recently by her and others: 1. The abducted girls in Nigeria is a hoax to stir up more hatred of Muslims and the US/UK/'the West' have an excuse for military action. 2. Obama is gay 3. Michelle Obama is a man 4. 9/11 was an inside job (yawn) 5. 9/11 never happened anyway, it's all smoke and mirrors 6. As well as geoenineering the skies, the government(s)/ CIA / Illuminati are trying to poison us so that Big Pharma can make money on 'curing' us 7. The Royal family are Illuminati lizards 8. Kate Middleton had a fake pregnancy and that baby was stolen (why???) I also discovered (though not from her) that there are people called 'Sandy Hook truthers' who believe the Sandy Hook massacre was a hoax, too. Presumably so that the gubbermint had an excuse to come after your guns. What's really odd is that conspiracy theorists are such strange bedfellows - the hippy/alternative types (although my friend is actually very expensively educated from an upper class family) and right wing nut jobs. And if I see the word 'sheeple' one more time I may have to destroy the internet.
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Post by Alvamiga on May 9, 2014 10:19:59 GMT
sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple sheeple!
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Post by Alvamiga on May 9, 2014 10:23:06 GMT
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Post by juju on May 9, 2014 10:31:07 GMT
Right. That's it. I'm taking a hammer to the internet - don't say you weren't warned. Seriously though, it's not that I believe everything that governments say - I'm pretty sure there are cover ups and misinformation all over the place. it's just I'm getting tired of some of the more outlandish theories, especially when they deny that there were/are real victims.
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Post by charliebrown on May 9, 2014 11:07:49 GMT
I just don't bother much with the conspiracy theories. I value common sense a lot and have faith on good will in people generally, that's why I don't see those theories possible.
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Post by Moose on May 9, 2014 18:03:04 GMT
My mum is into all that sort of stuff. Everytime Col and I go up there she treats us to a rant about how 9/11 was an inside job and no plane crashed at the Pentagon. I can't be bothered arguing with her anymore as she's not interested in listening
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Post by Mari on May 9, 2014 18:31:27 GMT
What would anyone gain by staging 9/11?
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Post by juju on May 9, 2014 19:15:08 GMT
What would anyone gain by staging 9/11? An excuse to go to war, allegedly.
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Post by Alvamiga on May 9, 2014 21:55:23 GMT
The craziest thing about that is that there have been independent documentaries showing how the buildings would have collapsed in the way they did and it all makes sense from a physics and engineering standpoint, but people still cling to this idea that it was all demolished in a controlled explosion... all without any of the occupants noticing the preparations.
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Post by JoeP on May 10, 2014 10:04:49 GMT
Chemtrails ... that reminds me: I saw a chemtrail, ahem I mean contrail, from above on my last flight to Finland. My plane flew over a contrail obviously created some time before and not dissipated, possibly 500 or 100 feet lower than our course, and roughly at right angles. It was daytime and there was a clear shadow on the ground. I wish I'd had time to switch on my camera.
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Post by tangent on May 10, 2014 18:09:19 GMT
Governments are scientifically illiterate so they cannot conceivably organise a hoax.
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Post by Alvamiga on May 11, 2014 9:58:30 GMT
That's just what they want you to think!
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Post by tangent on May 11, 2014 13:17:01 GMT
Have you met your MP? I have, Andrew Stunell, who for two years held a junior position in the government (that's the only sense in which he can be described as a junior). He couldn't organise an alien convention on chimera surgery if he tried.
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Post by Alvamiga on May 11, 2014 19:47:33 GMT
That's the brain implant inhibiting the ability to do work other than the aliens' bidding!
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Post by Moose on May 14, 2014 19:20:11 GMT
Just think of the number of people who would have to have been involved in such a thing .. it would be totally impossible to ensure that none of them ever came forward and said anything. I think that conspiracy belief is in a way a form of mental illness .. people just don't want to accept that what seems to be most likely might actually BE most likely. I do not like George Bush or the GOP but to think that they would have been involved in a conspiracy to kill three thousand Americans just as an excuse to go to war is preposterous. And anyway - since when did the US need an excuse to wage war? Who is going to stop them?
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Post by tangent on May 14, 2014 21:40:14 GMT
When you look at the wilder conspiracy theories, there can be no doubt that only crackpots will believe them, and 9/11 being an inside job is one of them. But there are lesser conspiracy theories which are much more plausible, and there are government cover-ups which go on all the time (or not). David Kelly's suicide is often suspected to have been one of them. (David Kelly was a weapons expert on Iraq's WMDs and was thought to have damning evidence on Tony Blair's decision to go to war but was found to have committed suicide before he could give evidence). It's sometimes difficult to decide when it's a plausible government cover-up and when it's an alien conspiracy theory.
For a while, I thought the government was engaged in a significant cover-up when the triple MMR vaccine was introduced (and so too did Jack Ashley, MP for Stoke on Trent). The MMR vaccine was introduced to save the cost of three independent vaccines but it was suspected of causing autism. There was considerable debate but the government couldn't produce any credible evidence that it was safe. Instead, they sought to give us platitudes. Scientists, of course, do not consider platitudes to be reliable scientific evidence and so our suspicions were raised considerably. MPs are scientifically illiterate but we expected their advisors, the Civil Service, to provide us with credible evidence at least. They did not. And this, I believe is the cause of many conspiracy theories. Governments are known to be incompetent, they are known to spin every news story, they are adept at persuading the general public that black is white, and therefore everything they say is part of a grand conspiracy theory.
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Post by Alvamiga on May 14, 2014 21:42:13 GMT
(In response to Moose) Yes, especially with all that alien technology they have and the funding from the Elite!
(In response to Tangent) I think one of the biggest problems is that we are so use to them lying to us that we just expect bigger and more important things to have bigger lies behind them).
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