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Post by juju on Sept 16, 2014 18:48:49 GMT
Anyone want to take a punt? Will it be yes or no?
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Post by JoeP on Sept 16, 2014 19:21:09 GMT
I think it will be a close no, because too many voters will be worried about the consequences of independence ... and the next 2-5 years will be full of "but we should have voted for independence" inside Scotland and "give us more powers or we'll vote again" between Scotland and Westminster and "we should have a vote too" from Wales and Cornwall and Cumbria and Northern Ireland and the Basque country and Lapland.
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Post by Moose on Sept 16, 2014 19:37:20 GMT
I think it will be no too, though I wonder how close it will be. Maybe not as much as people think. I'd be very surprised at a yes
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Post by juju on Sept 16, 2014 19:38:23 GMT
I dunno.... I think the Yes camp might just squeak it. I wonder what the flag will be then?
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Post by JoeP on Sept 16, 2014 19:57:48 GMT
The Saltire, surely
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Post by juju on Sept 16, 2014 20:13:52 GMT
Maybe they'll actually include Wales on the flag this time.
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Post by JoeP on Sept 16, 2014 20:55:42 GMT
Unless Wales start campaigning for an independence referendum, leading to a moratorium on flag changes.
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Post by Kate on Sept 16, 2014 21:08:42 GMT
I think it will be a close no, because too many voters will be worried about the consequences of independence ... and the next 2-5 years will be full of "but we should have voted for independence" inside Scotland and "give us more powers or we'll vote again" between Scotland and Westminster and "we should have a vote too" from Wales and Cornwall and Cumbria and Northern Ireland and the Basque country and Lapland. I agree with you, Joe P. I think it'll be a close no too. Certainly as I have lives in Scotland for the past week, there are 'yes' and 'no' posters and badges every where. It's causing quite a divide :/
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Post by juju on Sept 16, 2014 21:15:39 GMT
I dunno what Wales will do if Scotland goes. They''ll make noises but everyone knows there's no resources here* to support it. The assembly may want greater powers though - which is a good thing. We get free prescriptions and Welsh students get more money.
*Excluding sheep, of course. And water - lots of that - you just go out your door most days and there it is, on your head. And, er, some weird tribal game with funny shaped balls. And singing. Lots. Of. Singing.
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Post by Alvamiga on Sept 16, 2014 21:55:40 GMT
The Saltire, surely What about the Union JackFlag?
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Post by ProdigalAlan on Sept 16, 2014 22:58:32 GMT
Until a couple of weeks ago my money was on the NO campaign winning. After the crass arguments from Darling, Cameron, Brown et al in the past three weeks, I thing they've swung it in favour of the YES campaign.
The last month of the NO campaign has been a political disaster.
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Post by Moose on Sept 16, 2014 23:04:27 GMT
The cynic in me wonders if many of these people actually want Yes to prevail, as opposed to a deal which gives Scotland a good deal more money and power.
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Post by ProdigalAlan on Sept 16, 2014 23:14:16 GMT
I think that the Scots realise that any promises that have recently been made by Westminster are going to prove almost impossible to deliver after the elections next spring and very easy to delay until then.
The problem with voting NO is that Scotland could once again end up with a massive SNP/Labour voting majority for the nation of Scotland but still get a Conservative government next spring unless they elect for independence.
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Post by jayme on Sept 17, 2014 2:11:38 GMT
I think it's going to be "No", because Scotland has oil, and obviously without the UK's protection, we will bomb them.
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Post by Yuki on Sept 17, 2014 6:26:36 GMT
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Post by juju on Sept 17, 2014 7:10:16 GMT
BTW I've seen pictures of John Oliver but I never knew he was British!
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Post by ProdigalAlan on Sept 17, 2014 11:44:13 GMT
In all honesty it's the crass trivialisations such as this that bolster the YES campaign
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Post by tangent on Sept 17, 2014 17:00:12 GMT
Two comments: - All but two of the opinion polls conducted this month were conducted online. In my opinion, the method of selecting respondents makes the results invalid.
- If Scotland votes YES, it gets very messy. David Cameron will resign - hurray - and the Conservatives will be routed in the next General Election in May next year - more rejoicing. According to a so-called Edinburgh Agreement, Scotland would become independent on 24 March 2016, on which date all existing 59 Scottish MPs would become redundant. That would give a massive boost to the Conservative party because most of them are Labour MPs. It all gets very messy. Labour may form a government next year and then find themselves without a majority when Scotland finally becomes independent. The Conservatives may try to postpone the General Election until May 2016 but they will have to pass a law to do that. It will be a lot simpler if Scotland votes NO.
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Post by spaceflower on Sept 18, 2014 1:48:50 GMT
So Scotland wants out of UK and UK wants out of EU. So will there be passports and police at the border? Every EU nation has to protect itself from non-EU citizens. Will Scotland have euros and UK pounds?
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Post by tangent on Sept 18, 2014 4:50:10 GMT
If Scotland votes for independence, it will not be admitted into the EU for several years and so it will have to have its own currency, at least to begin with. My guess is that they will call it the Scottish Pound.
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Post by Miisa on Sept 18, 2014 8:21:56 GMT
I think they should call it the Temp. Just because I like the idea. Or something else but Pound, anyway.
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Post by juju on Sept 18, 2014 8:39:25 GMT
So Scotland wants out of UK and UK wants out of EU. Not all the UK! I certainly don't want out of the EU. UKIP (the UK Independence Party) has gained a lot of ground recently because of immigration issues, but I think there's a long way to go before it's unanimous that we leave.
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Post by ProdigalAlan on Sept 18, 2014 8:48:47 GMT
By no means can it be said that the UK wants out of the EU.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Sept 18, 2014 9:08:11 GMT
I want the Yes vote to win just because I think it would be more interesting. Plus I'm all for Aussie independance so can sympathise with the Scots who want it too.
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Post by ProdigalAlan on Sept 18, 2014 9:17:00 GMT
If Scotland votes YES, it gets very messy. David Cameron will resign - hurray - and the Conservatives will be routed in the next General Election in May next year - more rejoicing. According to a so-called Edinburgh Agreement, Scotland would become independent on 24 March 2016, on which date all existing 59 Scottish MPs would become redundant. That would give a massive boost to the Conservative party because most of them are Labour MPs. It all gets very messy. Labour may form a government next year and then find themselves without a majority when Scotland finally becomes independent. The Conservatives may try to postpone the General Election until May 2016 but they will have to pass a law to do that. It will be a lot simpler if Scotland votes NO. I absolutely agree with this assessment. My only caveat is that as well as the resignation of Cameron, Milliband and Clegg will also have to go. They also will be equally tarnished by a YES vote. Milliband's personal support is weak both within the Labour Party and the UK as a whole. Clegg is finished whatever the outcome. As for the period between between May and the following March. It will be a train wreck with an upsurge of minor, single issue parties and of course UKIP
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Post by tangent on Sept 18, 2014 9:17:49 GMT
Will it prompt Australia to have another referendum on becoming a republic?
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Post by jayme on Sept 18, 2014 11:25:38 GMT
I think they should call it the Temp. Just because I like the idea. Or something else but Pound, anyway. They should call it the 0.453592 Kilogram.
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Post by Miisa on Sept 18, 2014 12:10:11 GMT
Will it prompt Australia to have another referendum on becoming a republic? As it is, I think they have the best of both worlds: a figurehead with no power to be the pets of the press, and an elected PM to do the actual work. Having both a PM and president is just silly.
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Post by Kate on Sept 18, 2014 19:22:01 GMT
This isn't really to do with independence but with Scotland and a vote; women can now join St. Andrews golf club as voted today. Off to buy some clubs
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 18, 2014 19:47:07 GMT
I suspect that if independence prevails, border raids will probably resume tout suite. I also tend to agree with John Oliver that, for currency, the Scots will probably revert to their old standard: sheep and threats. Scots will be able to return to the grand traditions: drinking, stealing and fighting.
"Nae king, nae quin; nae laird, nae master! We'll not be fooled again!"
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