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Post by tangent on Sept 18, 2014 19:56:45 GMT
Having both a PM and president is just silly. That is so true... unless you're the Russian President and want to extend your rule by alternating between President and Prime Minister.
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Post by Moose on Sept 18, 2014 20:02:19 GMT
Kate do you play golf? I dunno if Cameron would resign but I think there'd be a vote of No Confidence. Not that anyone ever really had confidence in him anyway
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Post by Kate on Sept 18, 2014 20:15:04 GMT
Kate do you play golf? I dunno if Cameron would resign but I think there'd be a vote of No Confidence. Not that anyone ever really had confidence in him anyway Not at present but that could be an incentive to start...
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Post by Yuki on Sept 18, 2014 20:17:14 GMT
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Post by jayme on Sept 18, 2014 21:46:44 GMT
Even more incentive to vote yes! ^
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Post by JoeP on Sept 18, 2014 21:52:59 GMT
I see that the Moose is having an all-night referendum party over at Facebook, where it's impossible not to mention annoying to keep up with anything. I think she's abandoned EF. We should have some kind of referendum.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 18, 2014 23:50:26 GMT
So....how do they count the vote in Caledonia? Do they do it precinct by precinct with each precinct reporting in on their own and thus the news accumulates through the evening...or, do they keep mum until the whole thing is counted and then release the results?
Crivens!
Nae king, nae quin; nae lairds, nae masters! We'll not be fooled again!
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Post by tangent on Sept 19, 2014 0:57:49 GMT
Area by area. Clackmannanshire is the first of 32 areas to announce their result, with NO gaining 54% of the vote. This corresponds with a YouGov exit poll which also gave the NO campaign 54%.
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Post by Yuki on Sept 19, 2014 5:22:54 GMT
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Post by Kate on Sept 19, 2014 6:47:03 GMT
It's like a mini war in my student accommodation with different factions; the dining room is divided unofficially into yes and no. Lots of unhappy (and happy) people
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Sept 19, 2014 8:05:22 GMT
My observation (from the safety of Mordor) is that there is a proportion of the Scottish people who have a particular self-pitying way of reading history ... now that the result is clear the English can look forward to decades of being told that they 'cheated the Scots of their independence'. The proposals for further devolution are very positive not least because the Scots will have to start taking responsibility for their own behaviours instead of blaming outsiders.
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Post by jayme on Sept 19, 2014 12:33:03 GMT
Kate do you play golf? I dunno if Cameron would resign but I think there'd be a vote of No Confidence. Not that anyone ever really had confidence in him anyway Not at present but that could be an incentive to start... It's a good investment, either way. If you find you don't enjoy golf, you can always beat people with your clubs.
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Post by spaceflower on Sept 19, 2014 12:36:41 GMT
By no means can it be said that the UK wants out of the EU. So many want out so that a referendum in both cases. But the people of Scotland voted No (55%), and I hope the majority votes No to leave EU also.
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Post by Moose on Sept 19, 2014 18:55:11 GMT
I have NOT abandoned EF so there. I shall start polls if you keep on saying things like that.
I see Salmond has resigned.
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Post by spaceflower on Sept 19, 2014 19:31:07 GMT
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 19, 2014 19:45:22 GMT
Yes! Get Genie and her family started. More Poles!
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Post by Moose on Sept 19, 2014 19:52:39 GMT
Yeah well am not much interested in anything the Russian government has to say
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 19, 2014 20:19:17 GMT
Yeah....Putin is just pootin'. It's hot air.
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Post by jayme on Sept 19, 2014 20:43:52 GMT
He's just mad because he started a war when he could have just had Ukrainians vote in a fixed poll.
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Post by tangent on Sept 19, 2014 21:06:18 GMT
I guess if we do not observe international standards, we do not have the right to criticise Russia.
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Post by Moose on Sept 20, 2014 1:29:12 GMT
In what way are we not observing international standards?
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Post by tangent on Sept 20, 2014 8:42:22 GMT
I don't know the full extent but one example is that counting halls are too large, making it impossible for independent observers to spot malpractices. Another is the haphazard way voting papers are passed around without authorisation. None of this worries me but if they are international standards then they are there for a reason.
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Post by Alvamiga on Sept 21, 2014 11:01:13 GMT
Jings, Crivens and Help ma Boab!
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Post by juju on Sept 21, 2014 12:10:07 GMT
I don't know the full extent but one example is that counting halls are too large, making it impossible for independent observers to spot malpractices. Another is the haphazard way voting papers are passed around without authorisation. None of this worries me but if they are international standards then they are there for a reason. Whenever I've been to vote I've had my name checked off on a list, and then the ballot (voting) paper given directly to me. Occasionally I've not had my voting card (the thing they send you through the post) but I've just given my name and address and it's always been fine. I've never been asked for ID, so in theory someone else could pretend to be me...
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 21, 2014 16:27:03 GMT
I don't know the full extent but one example is that counting halls are too large, making it impossible for independent observers to spot malpractices. Another is the haphazard way voting papers are passed around without authorisation. None of this worries me but if they are international standards then they are there for a reason. Whenever I've been to vote I've had my name checked off on a list, and then the ballot (voting) paper given directly to me. Occasionally I've not had my voting card (the thing they send you through the post) but I've just given my name and address and it's always been fine. I've never been asked for ID, so in theory someone else could pretend to be me... When we still had precinct polling stations, that's what we did, too. Plus, each party had 'poll watchers' present to try to thwart just such instances of misrepresentation. The poll watchers were usually local to the precinct and would have a decent idea of who was who. Plus, the actual polling was done by volunteers from the League of Women Voters, who have built a reputation for supporting legitimate and legal voting procedures. They, too, were often locals. Here, once we were completed voting, our sealed ballot was handed to one of the poll workers, who placed it in the ballot box, annotated the precinct records, and announced aloud the voter's name and that they had voted. Now, we vote by mail. Our home is our polling station.
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Post by Miisa on Sept 21, 2014 16:55:25 GMT
Everyone over 18 is automatically sent a voting card here, no registration needed. But actual voting (at least on the day, I have never done it by early ballot) does require a photo ID of some kind. The voting card is necessary for early voting (which you can do anywhere in the country or at an embassy), but not on the day, when you have to go to a specific polling station and your name is crossed off the list.
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Post by Moose on Sept 21, 2014 17:20:53 GMT
Here you just give your name and address don't even need the card or any id
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Post by Miisa on Sept 21, 2014 18:21:34 GMT
A bit bad, as anyone could vote in your name? I could see that being an issue for observers of elections.
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Post by tangent on Sept 21, 2014 22:20:11 GMT
A bit bad, as anyone could vote in your name? I could see that being an issue for observers of elections. You're right but the amount of fraud is normally visible and alternatives might deter or stop genuine people voting.
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Post by spaceflower on Sept 22, 2014 0:45:24 GMT
Voting without an id? That sounds very offhandedly to me. Voting is a serious business. I always bring both my voting card and my id. I can vote without the voting card (though they always ask for it) but never without my id.
If you vote at home, how can they know that it is you voting? Or that the voting is private and secret?
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