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Post by spaceflower on Apr 21, 2015 12:02:04 GMT
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Post by Moose on Apr 21, 2015 19:58:35 GMT
Makes me ashamed sigh
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Post by madmadeline on May 3, 2015 23:28:28 GMT
No one can define her sexual orientation but her, obviously. But it is extremely troubling that lesbianism might be given more weight for asylum that bisexuality when both are illegal in the country from which you are seeking refuge.
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Post by ProdigalAlan on May 4, 2015 22:37:59 GMT
That's a very valid point, hadn't thought about that.
The trouble is that the UK hasn't got a coherent and consistent immigration policy, and it hasn't had one this century ( and I'm not sure it has ever had one in the first place ). I disagree with much of what UKIP has to say but they are right when they demand clarity regarding how we regulate immigration.
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Post by kingedmund on May 19, 2015 4:42:21 GMT
No one can define her sexual orientation but her, obviously. But it is extremely troubling that lesbianism might be given more weight for asylum that bisexuality when both are illegal in the country from which you are seeking refuge. Correct.
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Post by Moose on May 22, 2015 19:51:11 GMT
I do not really know what the solution is. Yes, obviously, people who will be persecuted or even killed for their sexual/religious/social proclivities should be allowed asylum. The trouble is it's hard to differentiate between these people and people who simply want to come here because they think it would be an easier life.Can't say I blame anyone for that but - yeah, maybe there comes a point where there just isn't the room and people who could stay in their home countries without persecution perhaps should. Which is a change for me.
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Post by tangent on May 22, 2015 20:15:47 GMT
If being gay was an easy way into the UK, there would be a flood of people pretending to be gay.
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Post by Mari on May 23, 2015 18:49:55 GMT
I do not really know what the solution is. Yes, obviously, people who will be persecuted or even killed for their sexual/religious/social proclivities should be allowed asylum. The trouble is it's hard to differentiate between these people and people who simply want to come here because they think it would be an easier life.Can't say I blame anyone for that but - yeah, maybe there comes a point where there just isn't the room and people who could stay in their home countries without persecution perhaps should. Which is a change for me. I think you need to differentiate between refugees and economical migrants. Their status is completely different, legally, mentally, often economically and sometimes morally. Refugees didn't want to leave their home, but felt they had no other choice because of war, persecution, whatever else bad you can think of. Most refugees find refuge in their neighbouring country under very poor circumstances. Very few are willing and able to come to our countries. Those who do usually get here with help from international refugee agreements between countries or other legal means. Very few make it to our (Upper Western European) borders illegally. Economical migrants are usually from within the Schengen area and per international agreement, they are free to work and live in whatever country they please. The vast numbers people keep hearing is usually about economical migrants, not the actual refugee numbers, or simply a combination of all immigration numbers. That includes those people who come to work in (y)our country for 2 or 3 years in a high powered job. Especially in the UK, there are quite a few of those. Right now we have 170 people in the Netherlands who have to go back, but their country doesn't want them and they don't want to go, so they are in limbo. It's only 170 people, yet our government condemn them to sleep on the streets and beg for money for food, since they're not allowed to work without a visa the government denies them. They've been through terrible times and did not come here because they wanted to live on benefits at all, but apparently they haven't been treated badly enough in their own country to be allowed to live here. I think the whole debate is laughably ridiculous over these few people. Open borders is not what I'm going for, but if you see how few people actually ask to live here in reality I don't see what all the fuss is about.
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