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Roses
Apr 30, 2015 19:09:24 GMT
Post by Moose on Apr 30, 2015 19:09:24 GMT
I'd really love to grow roses - cream ones for preference but I love red ones too - but when I tried once, years ago, absolutely nothing happened - I put a rose stick in the ground and watered it and then it just ... died. Is this the right time of year to try again and is it likely that there is something that I did wrong the first time which means that it just did not take?
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Roses
Apr 30, 2015 20:03:38 GMT
Post by Sarah W. on Apr 30, 2015 20:03:38 GMT
I only planted a tea rose once, and I remember it being a lot of work. You had to dig a hole and then mound up dirt in the hole (kind of like the bottom of a wine bottle) and spread the roots out over the mound and then fill it in and pack it down. It only lived one year, though, because I didn't bury it correctly that winter. Minnesota is harsh on roses.
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Roses
Apr 30, 2015 20:18:05 GMT
Post by juju on Apr 30, 2015 20:18:05 GMT
I planted a lovely tea rose last year and it seems to be thriving quite nicely. It's white with a tinge of mauve - can't remember the name though. I've also just planted an orange one called 'eternal flame'. So far so good...
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Roses
Apr 30, 2015 20:32:44 GMT
Post by tangent on Apr 30, 2015 20:32:44 GMT
All I remember is that the week before Christmas used to be the best time to prune rose bushes because the bin men would take away the cuttings free of charge if you gave them a tip. (I know that sounds Irish but if you're going to tip the binmen at Christmas, they take away the cuttings without blinking.)
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Apr 30, 2015 20:34:45 GMT
Post by Moose on Apr 30, 2015 20:34:45 GMT
Well I might give it a try. Planting roses not tipping binmen
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Roses
May 1, 2015 16:40:02 GMT
Post by Mari on May 1, 2015 16:40:02 GMT
I don't have roses. There is one I like with lovely colouring and a nice smell, but it is notoriously hard to grow. It is not exactly a natural breed.
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Roses
May 1, 2015 17:14:53 GMT
Post by whollygoats on May 1, 2015 17:14:53 GMT
This is my forte. I have a rose garden. I live in the 'Rose City'. We have the International Rose Test Gardens right here in town. I grew up with my father growing roses. At one point, I had over 50 roses on my tiny inner-city lot. I have since dialed back to less that half that number. I'm still fairly familiar with the variety of rose types and provide custom to a local rose grower which specializes in 'heirloom' roses. I think I can provide pix of most of my hybrids.
Basics:
Rule #1: If you desire to have a 'low maintenance garden', DO NOT PLANT ROSES.
Roses require a fussy gardener. They need inordinate amounts of regular attention. This is despite their being relatively hardy shrubs once established.
Rule #2: If you wish to remain entirely pesticide free, DO NOT PLANT ROSES.
Roses are susceptible to various afflictions. Most notable is aphids...multitudes of tiny sap sucking insects. They also can suffer from three notable fungal diseases: black spot, rust, and powdery mildew. If you wish to keep your roses happy, you will need to deal with these afflictions. Gardening roses without synthetic petrochemical pesticides is possible, but it takes a bit more work.
Rule #3: Be prepared to bleed.
Roses have thorns. If you work amongst them, you will be punctured and gashed on a frequent basis. Have appropriate wound-cleansing stuff and plasters readily available.
I'd be happy to answer questions about roses.
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Roses
May 1, 2015 20:05:09 GMT
Post by Moose on May 1, 2015 20:05:09 GMT
I have no ideological objection to pesticides but I would not want to use anything that might be dangerous to cats or birds. Beyond that I am happy to use it if it needs to be used .. though I would not slosh it around just for fun I am not sure how high maintanance I am prepared to be but a bit . That said I think I'd better start with only one or two in case they just don't work. What would you recommend? A rose stick, an already established bush?
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Roses
May 1, 2015 21:16:53 GMT
Post by whollygoats on May 1, 2015 21:16:53 GMT
I would recommend a potted hybrid rose. Here, they usually come potted in a peat pot. As a general rule, they come as three types: hybrid tea, grandiflora, or florabunda. Most folks, when thinking of roses, think of hybrid teas, where the nature of the shrub is to send up long extended bud branches which, as a general rule produce one bloom at the top. Grandifloras are very similar, but they tend to have multiple blooms (like 3 to 8 per main stem) instead of a single bloom, but single blooms also occur. Floribunda roses produce stems with prolific bundles of blooms which all open at once, producing a 'bouquet on a stick' look of main branches. Many, but not all, come as climber roses. All of they types are hybrids, and, as such are tops grafted to the roots of another, more hardy, type of rose (generally a 'rambler'). There are other, older types of roses, like rosa rugosas, damask roses, Old Garden roses, hedge roses, wild roses, gound-cover roses, miniature roses, (all on their own sturdy root stocks)....and on, and on, but what most folks grow are hybrid roses. Aside from my Rosa rugosa Alba, all my roses are hybrids. Sometimes, you can get roses as 'bareroot' and they are often cheaper because the pot is not provided and no potting need be done. If you can see that the rose has been stored in something like damp shavings and is not dried out, and you can take it home and get is planted quickly, then they are a fine deal. If you obtain them as a tiny spritz of a start, it may be a year or two before you get decent flowers. Bareroot or potted should produce flowers this year if they are in the ground before mid-July. Let me see....a good online source for a broad listing of rose types is at Heirloom Roses. A good online source for typical hybrid roses available at US garden centers is Jackson & Perkins.
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May 1, 2015 21:44:18 GMT
Post by whollygoats on May 1, 2015 21:44:18 GMT
Roses require regular watering, once planted.
Roses require regular augmentation of the soil fertility with fertilizers.
Roses require pruning. Of two types, too. Annual 'heavy pruning' in mid-February (when the forsythia blooms) and after each bloom is blown, which is called 'deadheading'. Most hybrids will 'rebloom' in any given season, but to do that most prolifically, deadheading is required. With roses, you will need to own a decent pair of hand pruning shears. Fiskars is a big quality brand here in the US.
Roses do not like plantings of other plants under their limbs...this requires regular weeding under your plants.
Infestations need to be dealt with promptly. An ignored aphid infestation can become literally ugly in a very short time...they reproduce asexually, y'know.
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Roses
May 1, 2015 21:47:56 GMT
Post by whollygoats on May 1, 2015 21:47:56 GMT
Hand shears. Get the 'side slide blade', not the 'anvil blade'. If you are left-handed, they make them special for southpaws. Just ask.
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May 1, 2015 22:01:33 GMT
Post by whollygoats on May 1, 2015 22:01:33 GMT
My Back Balcony Rose Bed: This is an old photo.(HINT: I think you might be able to click in to the photo and it will take you to the file and it will let you scroll through the file. If so, you'll get a tour of my roses.)
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Roses
May 1, 2015 23:17:13 GMT
Post by whollygoats on May 1, 2015 23:17:13 GMT
MAYDAY! MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
WARNING: If you plan on growing roses and are thinking of growing veggies, be aware that they will be competing for the same sunny space. If you have limited space, you will probably have to give up doing some of one for some of the other to have a place. Zero sum game, in other words.
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Roses
May 1, 2015 23:20:23 GMT
Post by Sarah W. on May 1, 2015 23:20:23 GMT
Indeed you can click through to the album. Wow - you've got some great roses there. :-)
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May 1, 2015 23:35:02 GMT
Post by whollygoats on May 1, 2015 23:35:02 GMT
Thanks. As alluded to, they are a distillation of almost three times as many bushes. I've lost at least one since those pix; my miniature 'Gourmet Popcorn'. I may yet lose one of my most favorite fragrant roses, 'Double Delight', as it is being overwhelmed by iris and rudbeckia I've allowed into the bed.
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May 2, 2015 1:17:41 GMT
Post by Moose on May 2, 2015 1:17:41 GMT
I am feeling slightly overwhelmed but am digesting slowly
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May 2, 2015 1:18:19 GMT
Post by Moose on May 2, 2015 1:18:19 GMT
I had genuinely not realised they were so much work.. tho they look to be worth it
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May 2, 2015 2:00:59 GMT
Post by whollygoats on May 2, 2015 2:00:59 GMT
Oh, if you like flowers, they are the reigning monarch. They have beautiful blooms which can often be obtained in exquisite fragrances and they rebloom three to four times each season. Unless you live in really harsh climate (and you live in maritime so I doubt that is harsh enough to worry), they are hardy. Hard, hard freezes, particularly extended ones, can kill hybrids (white roses are particularly fragile this way).
My apologies for too much whelm. I started out over thirty years ago in the rarified environment of Puddle City, where rose growing is a cult. Literally. (They are called 'The Royal Rosarians'. Honest.) I made bunches of mistakes and, of course, figured out the realities of rose gardening. When people would ask me about it and I heard the phrase 'low maintenance', I've always felt the need to clarify that roses would never, ever, qualify for 'low maintenance'. They are quite the opposite. But if you like gardening, well...
You might want to consider a climber on your front fence. I always recommend you look for 'fragrant' as a descriptor. I recommend 'Double Delight' and 'Sweet Surrender' as exquisite fragrant roses. 'French Lace' is not bad, either. "Olympiad' is an example of an exquisite red rose, with a respectable fragrance. If you like those tiny pink roses called 'sweetheart' roses for potpurri and braiding into hair, the varietal 'Cecille Brunner' comes as an upright or climber, but it can be quite robust as a bush.
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Roses
May 2, 2015 2:07:57 GMT
Post by whollygoats on May 2, 2015 2:07:57 GMT
Honestly. If you want to do vegetable gardening, where you are raising edibles, I would not recommend roses. Roses take the prime food crop spots. So do iris, for that matter. And they compete against each other because they both struggle for full sun. Urban gardening is hedged about by buildings and constrained by small spaces not meant to capture that prime source of sunlight. Aesthetics also often impedes effective functionality in use of land and accessibility to light and water.
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Roses
May 2, 2015 10:36:06 GMT
Post by Mari on May 2, 2015 10:36:06 GMT
All reasons for me to stay well clear of roses
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May 2, 2015 11:32:56 GMT
Post by Moose on May 2, 2015 11:32:56 GMT
ah I am doing veg in pots Roses I was gonna put down the sides
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Post by whollygoats on May 8, 2015 2:34:31 GMT
I have roses in bloom!
On the 7th of May!
Two of them, actually. Both floribundas. A dusty pink called 'Babytalk', the other 'Black Cherry', a deep red.
This is unheard of. The first week of May? My dawg.
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May 8, 2015 17:51:28 GMT
Post by Mari on May 8, 2015 17:51:28 GMT
I sat outside in my bikini today. That's pretty rare too.
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May 8, 2015 18:14:41 GMT
Post by Alvamiga on May 8, 2015 18:14:41 GMT
There was a lot of rosettes about yesterday in this country!
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May 8, 2015 21:04:23 GMT
Post by Moose on May 8, 2015 21:04:23 GMT
I did buy a rose from poundland and planted it. No idea if it will thrive but if it doesn't ... there's a pound gone. I followed the instructions about soaking and planting. It says it will be two or three weeks before it starts to come to life
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Roses
May 9, 2015 8:46:16 GMT
Post by Mari on May 9, 2015 8:46:16 GMT
It may even be only next year when it starts to actually do something. My hibiscus I planted last year, but it's only now showing signs of life.
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Roses
May 9, 2015 17:32:21 GMT
Post by Moose on May 9, 2015 17:32:21 GMT
aw I was thinking of digging a border out the back and putting roses there
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Roses
May 17, 2015 15:14:25 GMT
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Post by kingedmund on May 17, 2015 15:14:25 GMT
Some bug ate all the leaves off my rose bushes overnight. Left the blooms. Looks a bit odd now. Thousands of flowers but no leaves.
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May 30, 2015 18:02:27 GMT
Post by whollygoats on May 30, 2015 18:02:27 GMT
Ouch...That sounds like cutworms. They emerge overnight and cut leaves to eat and then, before light, they return to below the soil level. They are the pest for which I originally obtained my hens. They took care of that problem. And then, became a problem themselves.
My roses are now in full bloom. I did my first bit of deadheading to day as I deadheaded the iris stalks. After deadheading, I collected a fitsful bouquet for the dining room table. It's a much more pleasing fragrance than the iris.
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May 30, 2015 23:12:48 GMT
Post by Moose on May 30, 2015 23:12:48 GMT
The one I put out front actually seems to be doing okay. Obviously it was jsut a twig so it's gonna be a couple of years before I get roses from it, if I ever do, but it actually is sprouting and growing.
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