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Post by Mari on Nov 10, 2012 22:08:16 GMT
Quite. Steve, I'd be a bit offended if a man DIDN'T offer to walk me home late at night I would be surprised if anyone offered. By the by, I didn't mean that they shouldn't prosecuted, I was just a bit surprised that they could. I mean, offending, bullying or painful youtube videos can't even be removed without the permission of the 'author' (unless that author is posting videos with content from large studios, then suddenly a lot of removing is possible). |
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Post by Alvamiga on Nov 10, 2012 22:23:44 GMT
I think a lot of that is to save themselves from being bombarded by people trying to get things removed. I once found a software repository containing a huge number of current titles and when I looked into reporting it it said that only the Copyright holder could do it, which is ludicrous as it's being all but complicit to the activity.
As a professional programmer, I find it really offensive that people have such a lapse attitude to copyright infringement and what it costs the developers.
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Post by Alvamiga on Nov 10, 2012 22:24:56 GMT
...I'd be a bit offended if a man DIDN'T offer to walk me home late at night. ...I am assuming by "a man" you mean someone you know and not just a total stranger?  |
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Post by tangent on Nov 11, 2012 9:06:02 GMT
But IS Miss Jones a whore? Whether she is or not, she could still sue me but she wouldn't have a much of a case if she was. |
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Post by Mari on Nov 11, 2012 10:11:04 GMT
I think a lot of that is to save themselves from being bombarded by people trying to get things removed. What bothers me, is that if a student of mine makes an offensive video about me and puts it on Youtube, I cannot get it removed unless I get that student to do so. Youtube assists in bullying by allowing such videos to stay on there. As a professional programmer, I find it really offensive that people have such a lapse attitude to copyright infringement and what it costs the developers. The way I see it, I'm not going to spend 20 euros on a CD or DVD or book I might or might not like without knowing I will like at least 90% of it. There are some CDs I bought because I'd heard most of it on Youtube. Same goes for films and books. |
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Post by Alvamiga on Nov 11, 2012 11:06:57 GMT
I have no problem with samples of things being put up for people to view, but entire films, CDs, games or whatever is taking the unmentionables. |
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Post by Miisa on Nov 11, 2012 15:19:20 GMT
The developers, or rather the distributors, have to wake up and smell the 21st century. They need to compete with the piracy rather than scream and try to block it. Most honest people would be happy to pay a small subscription fee for a series, or single fee for films, etc, but not at the prices they are at now. The fuss they make about tv shows is especially baffling to me, as it is content many of the people got for free anyway, and the number of people who would be willing to pay £20-30 for a season stays pretty much the same anyway.
Plus, tv shows on DVD is one of the most frustrating experiences I have gone through. A disc first has to load, then you get warnings, ads and opening menus, often with extended animation that you can't skip. Then you have to find the correct episode, more animation and menus, if you want subtitles (which I do) this has to be fixed on each disc, and once the episode is over you have to go back to the disc menu (more effing animation and navigating) to get to the next episode menu. And after 3-4 episodes you have to change the disc and start from scratch.
Ironically, it was the "You wouldn't steal a car?" legal ads that drove me over the edge after the 15th time I saw it and I decided to rip all the episodes of my favourite 3 shows into avi files that I could burn - menuless and with ready subtiles, and in the order I wanted them in - onto DVDs so I could watch the shows without ripping too much hair out.
Music is I think the one thing that works online now, but even that is a little too expensive to be entirely competitive. At least you usually listen to songs several times. Films or tv shows you will generally watch once, if you like them enough to watch them several time you will probably buy a DVD.
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Post by Alvamiga on Nov 11, 2012 17:05:25 GMT
I have ripped most of my DVDs onto my home server. I also hate the unskipable menus and annoying animations. It also means I can dump a few series of things onto my laptop to watch when I go to visit Moose or at home without having to dig through my discs, which I am now working into storage.
I agree about the distribution as it's always the legal copies that have annoying copy-protection methods such as having to insert a DVD to play the game, whereas the illegal versions work and can be moved from one machine to another with no difficulty! I often download the NOCD patches to get past this or use a virtual DVD drive to run the software.
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Post by Mari on Nov 11, 2012 19:18:25 GMT
There are certain films I watch over and over again. Unfortunately they are the type that are hard to find for buying, unless you're willing to import it from wherever and pay dearly for that privilege.
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Post by Shake on Nov 14, 2012 5:30:31 GMT
As a professional programmer, I find it really offensive that people have such a lapse attitude to copyright infringement and what it costs the developers. The way I see it, I'm not going to spend 20 euros on a CD or DVD or book I might or might not like without knowing I will like at least 90% of it. There are some CDs I bought because I'd heard most of it on Youtube. Same goes for films and books. I've bought CDs having heard only 1 song before, but my usual rule was to have heard at least 2 or 3 songs first. But I have found recently that you can find whole albums on YouTube. Then all you have to do is simply convert them to mp3 format using one of the readily available and free web tools, and you've got your own album, which you can then rip to CD if you like, or just copy directly to your mp3 player of choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 7:15:23 GMT
If I just like one song, I will often buy it as an MP3-file on Amazon.
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Post by Alvamiga on Nov 14, 2012 20:49:46 GMT
The way I see it, I'm not going to spend 20 euros on a CD or DVD or book I might or might not like without knowing I will like at least 90% of it. There are some CDs I bought because I'd heard most of it on Youtube. Same goes for films and books. I've bought CDs having heard only 1 song before, but my usual rule was to have heard at least 2 or 3 songs first. But I have found recently that you can find whole albums on YouTube. Then all you have to do is simply convert them to mp3 format using one of the readily available and free web tools, and you've got your own album, which you can then rip to CD if you like, or just copy directly to your mp3 player of choice. Yes, it is very easy to create copies of things, but not paying people for the work they spend creating things is wrong as far as I'm concerned. I have known several musicians who have had to give up doing it because they were not making money because of piracy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 21:15:14 GMT
That's something I find important as well. If I like a piece of music very much, I feel like the musician(s) deserve to get the money from me buying their music. If I don't like their music enough to feel they deserve to get paid for it, I wouldn't want a copy either.
Admittedly, I still have CD's with songs from my dad's old records which he put on CD's for me and a few I copied from someone as a teenager, but they are slowly getting replaced by the real albums of which most are not expensive these days.
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Post by ceptimus on Nov 14, 2012 22:14:02 GMT
I don't mind paying the musicians. It's the greedy music producers driving their Ferraris from their mansions to their yachts that I don't want to give any more of my money to.
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Post by ceptimus on Nov 14, 2012 22:17:08 GMT
If I forget to record a TV program on my DVR and download the program via BitTorrent instead, why does that make me a criminal?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 7:52:51 GMT
I don't mind paying the musicians. It's the greedy music producers driving their Ferraris from their mansions to their yachts that I don't want to give any more of my money to. Those tend to be the ones whose music I don't like anyway. |
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Nov 15, 2012 12:43:39 GMT
Does anyone ever accept the 'development costs' argument that the music companies use? I should have thought that if someone has a degree of talent they can draw just as much attention to themselves through YouTube (for example) as well as any other way. Just look at Twinnies , no - on second thoughts - maybe you don't want to do that/
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Post by jayme on Nov 15, 2012 13:02:28 GMT
That's how OK Go did it. They made a video and put it up on youtube. Then it went viral and that's how they got attention.
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Post by Mari on Nov 15, 2012 18:09:16 GMT
Also, there are a lot of peer sponsoring projects going on, which I think is a fairer option nowadays.
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Post by Karen on Nov 15, 2012 22:38:45 GMT
People get prosecuted for what they say in FB? But isn't that a private area? Nothing is truly private on the internet. Not emails, not Facebook, not anything. That's why you should never post, email, etc. anything you wouldn't want to whole world to see. You may think it's private, but just ask General Petraeus et al. how that's working for them. (And in case you don't know what I'm referring to: www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/us/citing-affair-petraeus-resigns-as-cia-director.html?pagewanted=all) |
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Nov 15, 2012 22:42:22 GMT
This explains the English law that applies to defammatory tweets in the case of the wholly false allegations against Lord MacAlpine. Looks like some people could be in for an uncomfortable time.
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Post by tangent on Nov 16, 2012 0:31:51 GMT
Looks like some people could be in for an expensive time.
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Post by Shake on Nov 16, 2012 3:01:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 7:02:04 GMT
Wow, this is a really good one!
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Post by Mari on Nov 17, 2012 7:45:56 GMT
I have that on my classroom door, only mine says 'keep calm and speak English'.
Above that, I have 'the world of doom' written with bloody letters. A student made it for me.
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Nov 17, 2012 10:56:31 GMT
I trust that the pupil was given an extra lashing for attempting to curry favour ...  |
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Post by Mari on Nov 17, 2012 18:00:55 GMT
Nah, they should always attempt it. The lashing happens when they don't put in enough. effort.
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