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Post by Moose on Jan 9, 2013 20:30:22 GMT
I guess that everyone has heard about this. The brutality of it is almost unbelievable - that poor girl, what a terrible way to die. Terrible too for her friend (fiance?) who witnessed it and will never forget. How could people do such a thing?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 21:24:14 GMT
I have no idea how anyone could do that. Some people seem to become monsters.
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Post by Kye on Jan 25, 2013 0:42:34 GMT
When people become things, any atrocity is possible.
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Post by Moose on Jan 25, 2013 16:29:34 GMT
I gather that the trials are being fast tracked and that the death penalty is being sought. I can't agree with death as a sentence under any circumstances but it's hard to feel much pity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 22:51:30 GMT
I gather that the trials are being fast tracked and that the death penalty is being sought. I can't agree with death as a sentence under any circumstances but it's hard to feel much pity. That's how I feel as well.
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Post by tangent on Jan 27, 2013 20:36:03 GMT
I gather that the trials are being fast tracked and that the death penalty is being sought. I can't agree with death as a sentence under any circumstances but it's hard to feel much pity. We should not feel pity, they do not deserve any. We shun the death penalty because we believe it is fundamentally wrong, like torture and mutilation.
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Post by Moose on Jan 27, 2013 20:54:54 GMT
It is a contradictory feeling though. I cannot rejoice at the idea of the state, any state, taking a human life as punishment. And yet I cannot either feel that these men deserve my sympathy, for the appalling way in which they killed this young woman.
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Post by tangent on Jan 27, 2013 21:09:30 GMT
I feel the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 21:50:57 GMT
I just found news tonight that in Berlin, a homeless 33-year old woman was raped by t´wo men, also so badly her life was in danger for some time and she was badly injured. The police found her and the rapists still next to her.
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Post by Mari on Feb 1, 2013 13:58:10 GMT
I hate to say it, but those things happen all the time in every country (though in some more often than others and in some more openly than in others). It's actually a war tactic often used in African wars between tribes: rape the women and make sure their children are from your tribe or just make them incapable of having children ever. It's too often that women are treated like things.
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Post by Kye on Feb 1, 2013 16:25:40 GMT
I just read an article about war tactics of raping men. They apparently get even less attention in certain countries. And it seems that if a man is raped, his wife often leaves him as he is now "less of a man".
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Post by Mari on Feb 1, 2013 18:13:59 GMT
interesting! Terribly sad of course, but I'd never heard of it before.
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Post by Moose on Feb 1, 2013 19:05:27 GMT
Yes male rape is not often spoken about but it does happen - especially in prison cultures it is used as a weapon
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Post by Mari on Feb 2, 2013 11:09:32 GMT
Well, I knew about that, but not in relation to war tactics.
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Post by bigsleepj on Feb 11, 2013 19:39:45 GMT
A few weeks ago a young lady was brutally raped and murdered in Bredasdorp, an otherwise sleepy village in the Western Cape, sparking outrage nationwide comparable to the outrage in India. Over the past week and a half there has been in-depth re-assessment by many South Africans on why it could have happened and why, sadly, her death was not really a unique thing. By some estimates in South Africa a rape occurs every four minutes, and the media has referred to it as a crises and an epidemic. There is no clear, easy answer, but it is one of the many ills eating away at SA society, as bad as corruption and crime. www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2013/02/08/bredasdorp-rape-murder-widely-condemned
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Post by Moose on Feb 11, 2013 20:22:14 GMT
I vaguely remember reading an article somewhere about women in SA who were wearing vaginal devices intended to prevent rape..
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 19, 2013 18:30:48 GMT
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Post by Shake on Mar 22, 2013 1:06:03 GMT
There was a very recent case here about a 16-year-old girl getting intoxicated at a party, passing out and now 2 members of the football team have been charged with rape after they bragged about things they did to her via text messages and even on Facebook. They evidently did not actually have intercourse with her, but there is a nude photo and also talk from one of the defendants about "digital penetration," as one article put it. And if that isn't bad enough, now 2 girls have been charged with making threats toward the victim in this case. What's worse than that? People making comments about the two who made the threats saying things like, "they should get raped, too" so that they would understand. Excuse me? Someone making such a comment is just part of the problem. NO ONE deserves to be raped. Period. It's about basic human rights and dignity. Very frustrating and aggravating.
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Post by Mari on Mar 22, 2013 17:09:23 GMT
I read about that case. It's nauseating that people don't realise that what they should say is "You should have helped this girl.". And the question that of course follows this is: "Why didn't they?"
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Post by tangent on Mar 22, 2013 18:39:43 GMT
And why did CNN newscasters sympathize with the poor footballers whose careers were ruined instead of the victim?
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Post by Moose on Mar 22, 2013 21:07:59 GMT
yeah that was bad
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 15:42:31 GMT
And why did CNN newscasters sympathize with the poor footballers whose careers were ruined instead of the victim? Seriously? That's scary. In Germany, there has been a big discussion on sexism after a politician made an inappropriate remark - he said something to a young, female journalist, that her breasts could well fill a "Dirndl". It caused another young woman to establish the "Aufschrei"-campaign on Twitter where women write about things that have happened to them and these things include everything, from nasty remarks to rape and anything in between. A lot of them wrote that they were not even wearing skimpy or revealing clothes when males threatened to do something to them or made clearly inappropriate remarks, but people still keeps saying that only happens to women who dress in a certain way. But a lot of them also wrote about parents or friends who thought they shouldn't make such a fuss about it and that is the other problem. When I'm working in the bar and someone tells me something like: 2Wow, I'd love to do it with you!" all I can do is humiliate that man, usually by saying something like: "Eww, I'd never do anything with you.", but I can't tell anyone it bothers me because then people would just say I take things too seriously. The whole discussion in Germany made me realize that somehow, the women are always made responsible. If they are raped, they must have done something to provoke it, if they get hurt by a remark, they don't know how to have a bit of fun or they make too much of a fuss, if they are touched without wanting it, they must have sent out the wrong inds of signals.
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Post by Mari on Mar 27, 2013 20:01:01 GMT
And that is called rape culture.
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Post by Shake on Mar 29, 2013 3:32:22 GMT
And that is called rape culture. Yes, I've heard this phrase a lot lately. Three relevant images which have been making the rounds lately: The first is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but serious at the same time: Next, how men should feel: Finally, one about causes:
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Post by Mari on Mar 31, 2013 15:49:48 GMT
Very true. In the news on Friday they had an item on how the sharia in Atjeh (Indonesia) now makes it illegal for women to sit on the back of ascooter or motor with their legs spread. The reason being that you can see the linings of their underwear when they sit like that.
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Post by tangent on Mar 31, 2013 18:53:31 GMT
There's a danger that all men are castigated as rapists just because a small percentage are. This is a travesty, almost every man regards rape as an appalling crime and would be shocked at the suggestion. And yet the second of your pics, Shake, says that I am basically a rapist at heart if I suggest to my daughter that she should not go through Moss Side, a notorious area of Manchester, alone at night. I've already lost two Facebook friends who insist that that does mean I am a rapist at heart, which I find deeply disturbing. Is it not possible to separate out the crime from good intentions? A friend asked another female friend to walk home with her daughter late last Tuesday night. What's that about if it wasn't about keeping her safe? And yet, she is also castigated as being a rapist.
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Post by Mari on Apr 1, 2013 6:52:32 GMT
That's not what the second pic says though? It's ridiculing the idea that all men are rapists who can't control their urges. And being cautious is different from being a rapist.
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Post by tangent on Apr 1, 2013 15:05:15 GMT
Well, we disagree on what the second pic actually says. I don't want to dwell on it because it's a painful subject, though.
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Post by Shake on Apr 4, 2013 2:30:09 GMT
I rather thought they all said more or less the same thing: that it's not the woman's fault, and also a man shouldn't also necessarily be thought of as a potential rapist (though I can see where that would be a good attitude for a woman to have).
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Post by tangent on Apr 4, 2013 11:48:34 GMT
I rather thought they all said more or less the same thing: that it's not the woman's fault, and also a man shouldn't also necessarily be thought of as a potential rapist (though I can see where that would be a good attitude for a woman to have). That's what you want it to say but if you read it carefully it doesn't say that at all. "[We] should be offended when someone claims that women should prevent rape by not going to a certain place." (I claim that my daughter should prevent rape by not going alone at night through Moss Side in Manchester.) "That line of thinking presumes that your natural state is rapist." (Therefore my natural state is a rapist.) I wouldn't be bothered if two of my Facebook friends hadn't insisted that was exactly what it meant. I think what's happening is that people have bought into the whole meme; and they are blind to what the pic actually says to that extent that they will argue black is white in order to defend it.
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