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May 27, 2016 2:10:07 GMT
Post by Moose on May 27, 2016 2:10:07 GMT
The Telegraph is also a right wing paper, albeit a good deal more intelligent and thoughtful than the Mail.
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May 27, 2016 11:35:53 GMT
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Post by tangent on May 27, 2016 11:35:53 GMT
Juju - yes, the vote will be remain - I think that that is as close to a foregone conclusion without actually being one. I wish I could be so confident.
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May 27, 2016 12:33:48 GMT
Post by spaceflower on May 27, 2016 12:33:48 GMT
Spaceflower - you link to both the Guardian and the Daily Mail. I could not, off the top of my head, think of two different news sources . I read both (and others besides) but I wonder if, not being British, you realise that you are looking at (apologies to the Guardian here but I suspect that it's true) the 'extremes' of the political spectrum when it comes to mainstream news. Well, I take my information where I find it. I google and up come The Guardian, The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, BBC, The Local (for expats) etc. I know Daily Mail and Guardian are different. In the TV-series Last Tango to Halifix, Alan (Derek Jacobi) tells his daughter in a shocked tone about his refound love Celia (Anne Reid): "She reads Daily Mail!" But love conquered everything. Alan is the type who reads The Guardian. A paper for the well educated and liberal. (Is liberal considered "extreme" in UK? I would have thought that communist and far right were the opposite extremes.) And the Daily Mail is conservative and for the populase. The Daily Mail might be easier to read for a non-English speaker like me. But both the Daily Mail readers and the Guardian readers (assuming they don't read both) will get to vote. And I gather that the out-voters read Daily Mail. And they want a change so they may be more apt to vote.
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May 27, 2016 14:02:53 GMT
Post by juju on May 27, 2016 14:02:53 GMT
(Is liberal considered "extreme" in UK? No. Nor is 'socialist'. They are both fairly normal on the political spectrum here, although 'liberal' here means something different than in America. The Liberal Democrats are the centre party (although they have almost disappeared since their hopeless co-aliton with the Conservatives a few years ago). The Labour party is the party of the left/centre left. The more extremes are ones like UKIP (anti EU) and the BNP - British National Party (far right). Far left would be the Communist Party I suppose, although they are very low profile. The Green Party, the Scottish National Party and Plaid Cymru are all quite left wing, too.
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May 28, 2016 0:23:56 GMT
Post by Moose on May 28, 2016 0:23:56 GMT
Much as I dislike UKIP I'd not put them in the same category as the BNP, which is simply a race hate organisation. I think that UKIP appeals more to the Daily Mail 'type' - lower middle class/upper working class retirees who probably do not think of themselves as racist or xenophobic but who yearn for some sort of mythical 'good old days.'
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Jun 1, 2016 17:53:30 GMT
Post by JoeP on Jun 1, 2016 17:53:30 GMT
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Jun 1, 2016 20:36:09 GMT
Post by Moose on Jun 1, 2016 20:36:09 GMT
he appeals to the Brexiters I think
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Jun 1, 2016 22:19:46 GMT
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Post by tangent on Jun 1, 2016 22:19:46 GMT
He's choosing a day when people are least likely to create a protest march.
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Jun 1, 2016 22:25:24 GMT
Post by Moose on Jun 1, 2016 22:25:24 GMT
He's certainly an egomaniac. That said, I suppose I do call this place 'Moose's Europeforum'
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Jun 1, 2016 22:32:00 GMT
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Post by tangent on Jun 1, 2016 22:32:00 GMT
*nods politely*
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Jun 1, 2016 22:42:07 GMT
Post by spaceflower on Jun 1, 2016 22:42:07 GMT
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Jun 1, 2016 22:44:25 GMT
Post by Moose on Jun 1, 2016 22:44:25 GMT
The latest polls I have seen put Brexit five percent behind.
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Jun 15, 2016 20:11:16 GMT
Post by spaceflower on Jun 15, 2016 20:11:16 GMT
"The Sun" is advocating Brexit: www.thesun.co.uk/news/1277920/we-urge-our-readers-to-believe-in-britain-and-vote-to-leave-the-eu-in-referendum-on-june-23/I don't know where to start about this populistic nonsens. How will staying in EU change the British way of life? Which values do they think the rest of us in EU have? And "expanding Germany", I just wait for the Sun to drag forward Hitler and Nazis. But obviously people fear "mass immigration". No EU immigrants to UK (but what about British emigrants to EU?). And "arrogant europhiles", what kind of argument is that? Might as well write "arrogant europhobes" about The Sun. But since The Sun is the biggest paper in UK, I fear that many are influenced.
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Jun 15, 2016 20:43:10 GMT
Post by Moose on Jun 15, 2016 20:43:10 GMT
The Sun is only the biggest paper in the UK because it puts tits on its inside page .. I should not worry too much
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Jun 15, 2016 20:43:38 GMT
Post by Moose on Jun 15, 2016 20:43:38 GMT
It's also owned by Rupert Murdoch, who is strongly anti EU.
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Jun 22, 2016 8:38:26 GMT
Post by spaceflower on Jun 22, 2016 8:38:26 GMT
Margaret Thatcher negotiated a discount for UK. But UK is one of the countries who pay more than they give, along with Germany, France, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland etc. But how would EU work if everybot got more than they gave? I fear that the Leavers will win. They pander to feelings and prejudices. They accuse the Remainers for scaremongering but are the worst scaremongers themselves. www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/vote-leave-prejudice-turkey-eu-security-threatTurkey is very far from being a member of EU. For one thing, any EU-country can veto new members. For another, Turkey doesn't meet the criteria. Tomorrow is the big day and I fear the worst.
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Jun 25, 2016 5:21:34 GMT
Post by kingedmund on Jun 25, 2016 5:21:34 GMT
This is a mess. Now I seem to get it a little more.
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Jun 25, 2016 5:27:33 GMT
Post by kingedmund on Jun 25, 2016 5:27:33 GMT
But I only just heard about this now as no one here seems to really notice what is going on across the pond.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:45:29 GMT
Post by kingedmund on Jun 28, 2016 16:45:29 GMT
I'm hearing lots of crazy things on the news about this. Racism among the top thing. What is going on?
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Jun 28, 2016 23:44:51 GMT
Post by spaceflower on Jun 28, 2016 23:44:51 GMT
It is the same old story. People who are unemployed or poor need a scapegoat. The scapegoat is 1) EU and 2) Immigrants. Also, people seem to think that the many refugees in Europe (or trying to get to Europe) will end up in UK.
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Jun 30, 2016 10:53:59 GMT
Post by spaceflower on Jun 30, 2016 10:53:59 GMT
What will Brexit mean for Brits in Sweden (and other EU-countries) and for Swedes (and other EU-citizens) in UK? Nobody knows yet. But unusually many Brits in Sweden applied for Swedish citizenship (assume the same is true for Brits working in other EU-contries).
Some Brits of foreign origin are scared of the xenophobia and racism that has emerged since the vote.
It is of course possible to have dual citizenship, both British and Swedish (etc).
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Jun 30, 2016 11:17:34 GMT
Post by Miisa on Jun 30, 2016 11:17:34 GMT
When I was given Finnish citizenship I had to give up my UK one, so I don't have that any more But at the time I figured that we are all EU now, so...
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Jul 1, 2016 0:41:53 GMT
Post by raspberrybullets on Jul 1, 2016 0:41:53 GMT
That sucks, is that a Finnish rule? The Dutch don't allow dual citizenship except in some cases, such as if you're gaining your second citizenship due to your spouse. But I have no such problems here in Oz. Or is it because you're not allowed to have two EU citizenships? I know heaps of Aussies who have dual Brittish citizenship.
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Jul 1, 2016 2:38:47 GMT
Post by Moose on Jul 1, 2016 2:38:47 GMT
Juju - yes, the vote will be remain - I think that that is as close to a foregone conclusion without actually being one. I wish I could be so confident. Mea stupida.
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Jul 1, 2016 5:24:00 GMT
Post by Miisa on Jul 1, 2016 5:24:00 GMT
That sucks, is that a Finnish rule? The Dutch don't allow dual citizenship except in some cases, such as if you're gaining your second citizenship due to your spouse. But I have no such problems here in Oz. Or is it because you're not allowed to have two EU citizenships? I know heaps of Aussies who have dual Brittish citizenship. I believe it was a regulation in Finnish naturalization laws. For all I know it could be that it has changed since then (it was over 15 years ago, shortly after Finland joined the EU). My sister didn't have to renounce her old citizenship, as she was a minor at the time she and my dad did it. My dad had to give up his also, but his friends in the UK embassy said that if he wanted it back, he could have just regained it immediately and the Finnish authorities would have been none the wiser. He didn't, but did later get an Irish one.
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Post by Miisa on Jul 1, 2016 5:33:27 GMT
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Jul 1, 2016 6:46:40 GMT
Post by raspberrybullets on Jul 1, 2016 6:46:40 GMT
LOL
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Jul 1, 2016 6:48:08 GMT
Post by raspberrybullets on Jul 1, 2016 6:48:08 GMT
I've never understood the anti dual nationality thing. Just because I give up citizenship of one place doesn't stop me from still having all the ties to it that existed while I also had the passport.
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Jul 1, 2016 7:11:46 GMT
Post by Miisa on Jul 1, 2016 7:11:46 GMT
I know, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if it has been changed. Also, it doesn't prevent me from getting dual nationality as long as I get the non-fussy one after.
I know Finland has a "fast-track" naturalisation for former Finnish citizens (or people with Finnish heritage), but I don't think the UK has any such loopholes.
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Post by juju on Jul 1, 2016 9:47:51 GMT
Hehe! Although not funny for us...
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