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Post by Moose on May 4, 2016 19:57:09 GMT
Unless the GOP decides to pull the plug on him .. which would be pretty much without precedent, wouldn't it? So it would be Trump versus Hilary.. not the outcome I'd have wanted. What are the chances that he might actually pull it off? Hilary does not seem all that popular.
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Post by Miisa on May 4, 2016 20:59:59 GMT
Based on my FB feed I would say Sanders has a fighting chance as well.
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Post by Moose on May 4, 2016 21:17:59 GMT
Mine seems to be suggesting that Hilary is a shoe-in but it could be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 22:09:15 GMT
Seems like it is Trump. Am a bit shocked.
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Post by tangent on May 4, 2016 22:13:56 GMT
So it would be Trump versus Hilary.. not the outcome I'd have wanted. What are the chances that he might actually pull it off? Hilary does not seem all that popular. Hillary is more popular than Trump at the moment but that can all change. Trump has got the nomination by outrageous means, appealing to voters' baser instincts and gaining notoriety. He no longer needs to do that and will almost certainly change his tune to a much more presidential tone. Voters have a six month memory and by November they will have forgotten how outrageous he was. So, yes, he stands a very good chance of winning the election IMO. Sanders has a very slim chance. Trump will be boring from now until September and so the media will concentrate on Clinton and Sanders. That will give Sanders a better chance, turning an impossible chance of winning into an extremely unlikely one.
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Post by Moose on May 4, 2016 22:58:52 GMT
I don't think that the electorate is really silly enough to forget the things that Trump has said and done. Though perhaps they are .. I dunno. I would have thought that most people have made up their minds by now.
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Post by tangent on May 5, 2016 9:50:41 GMT
The general public are fickle, they are the worst people to choose a president/prime minister/party leader.
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Post by jayme on May 6, 2016 2:34:52 GMT
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Post by spaceflower on May 6, 2016 10:05:38 GMT
I am really fearful what will happen. 84% av the Republican voters like Trump. Trump - the candidate for people who hate politicians and find inexperince a virtue.
I read that Reagan was called the "tephlone president". He was so nice, people thought, that no mistakes stuck. Trump seems to be the opposite of nice, and this seems to be what the voters like. The more outregeous, the better.
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Post by tangent on May 6, 2016 12:23:53 GMT
We have an outrageous, flamboyant politician, Nigeria Farage, who similarly appeals to people who hate normal politicians. You probably know him, he's the leader of the UKIP party, often considered a protest vote. His party did extremely well in the European elections, where they polled the most votes, because voting for UKIP was harmless but they slumped badly in the general election, where their votes really mattered.
I think Trump is in the same situation. People will vote for him in the nominations when it doesn't matter but, if he keeps up his outrageous persona, they will desert him in the presidential election.
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Post by spaceflower on May 6, 2016 14:54:57 GMT
I hope you're right. But it seems to me that people in USA are especially hostile to "big government" and "Washington". And admires businessmen like Trump. If he is rich, he must be very smart, and he will not rob us like all other politicians.
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Post by Moose on May 6, 2016 18:24:28 GMT
Spaceflower - yeah I've noticed that. So many Americans I know are really opposed to the federal government. I always thought it was due to the size of the country as a whole.
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Post by Christy on May 13, 2016 4:02:36 GMT
For me, it is the size of the government and beaurocracy. The apparent ability of the Supreme Court to create laws (rather than only making rulings about conflicts regarding current law) is an example. This "thing" they have about regulating everything under the sun (slight exaggeration) is another.
I would like to see a smaller, streamlined, efficient government, there only to handle issues too big for the states, and external audits to protect abuses of tax payer money. But have you seen any budding shoulder blades on your local hogs recently?
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Post by Moose on May 13, 2016 15:12:52 GMT
Took me a few seconds to get that last sentence
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Post by Christy on May 14, 2016 15:17:31 GMT
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Post by whollygoats on Jul 16, 2016 20:46:39 GMT
For those who have not be following because they were diverted by Brexit and the slapstick which has followed, or other European nonsense, the Republican (hereafter 'Reptilian') Convention is happening in Cleveland, Ohio, this coming week. The media is atwitter. I, frankly, can't be arsed. Howsomever, in advance of the Convention the conquering hero is advancing upon the thinned ranks of horrified Reptilians...he has selected his desired running mate (this usually happens as a part of the wheeling and dealing at the convention. To announce your running mate before the convention tells the public that there was nothing in the way of compromise, Donnie Boy just barked out his commands and expected them to be fulfilled. And the wiener is.... Mike Pence, Governor of Indiana, where he is known for his raging homophobia and troglodytic attitudes. This has spawned the new campaign logo: Wags have already created an animated version where the staff of the Trump 't' rises and falls through the loop of the Pence 'p'. ETA: Evidently, reports are out that the mockery was so intimidating that the campaign has tried to wipe the internet clean of images of the logo. HA!For my part, I couldn't give a trumpence for either of them. So... Reptilian Convention coming up. It's going to be a giant Trumpgasm. If they pipe this stuff in to your visual media, DO NOT WATCH IT. It will rot your brains. The same with the Democratic Convention the following week. This stuff is not for domestic consumption, much less innocent aliens. Cheeses....
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Post by Moose on Sept 3, 2016 0:12:51 GMT
Current estimate seems to be a Clinton 'landslide.' I am wary though. We thought that Brexit would not win and it did so complacency at this stage might be fatal.
I am getting increasingly irritated by the anti Hilary stuff I keep seeing on my feed from the so-called 'Bernie or bust' brigade. I realise that they are sincere but I think that they are hopelessly misguided and are starting to look just a little bit silly. And I won't forgive them if they let Trump in.
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Post by tangent on Sept 3, 2016 9:14:08 GMT
The opinion polls don't see a landslide, they alternate between Hillary winning comfortably and just scraping through. I know there's talk of a landslide but I just don't see it.
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Post by Moose on Sept 3, 2016 19:59:38 GMT
Today they are saying it's neck and neck. I can't keep up.
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Post by JoeP on Sept 3, 2016 20:18:39 GMT
Don't believe any polls. Polls were wildly wrong about brexit and about the last UK general election.
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Post by tangent on Sept 3, 2016 22:40:43 GMT
Not entirely, the text were many people in the Brexit polls who said they didn't know. You have to allow them in the uncertainty.
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Post by robert on Sept 16, 2016 12:47:56 GMT
I honestly can't see Trump winning in November. I am surprised at the support he has received, and find it appalling that my country has so many people seriously supporting him. However, I don't see him winnning. He is far too unliked and despised by most to get the necessary electoral votes to win.
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Post by tangent on Sept 16, 2016 14:09:44 GMT
Hi Robert We couldn't see people voting to leave the EU but they did. And 70% of the people who voted for Brexit did so because of their dislike or even hatred of so many foreigners in Britain. If we can do it, so can you.
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Post by Moose on Sept 16, 2016 21:11:01 GMT
Yeah that's the problem - it's easy to get complacent and say 'oh it will never happen' but Brexit really knocked my confidence in peoples' common sense.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 17, 2016 22:50:30 GMT
W.
Twice.
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Post by spaceflower on Sept 18, 2016 11:27:32 GMT
I read that Trum is lying a lot. But this does not stop people from supporting him. Don't they bother to find out the facts? Or don't care about the facts, b/c they are angry and hate Clinton and the "establishment"? www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/16/trump-miami-clinton-disarm-security-obama-birtherNo president candidate would ever try to abolish the second amendment, it would be political suicide. But he can say anything, his true believers just cheers. I am really worried about the future of USA and of the world if Trump wins. Of course there are also health issues of Clinton. From a Swedish point of view, they are both (69 and 70 years) too old. People here are expected to retire at the very latest at 67 years (most retire from 63 or 65 years). The American attitude that you can work much longer is better. Generally, but the office of president is very demanding. Also, do you really want an ailing president, maybe suffering from Alzheimer's?
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 18, 2016 13:27:49 GMT
Also, do you really want an ailing president, maybe suffering from Alzheimer's? Well...We already had one and the conservatives tend to think of him as 'saintly' and 'the savior of capitalism'. Plus, one 'ailing' president we had was wheelchair bound and he proved to be one of the best of the lot, despite his having died in office.
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Post by Moose on Sept 18, 2016 23:18:33 GMT
I have already replied to one person on fb today who claimed that Clinton wants to 'destroy the second amendment.' She doesn't and couldn't even if she wanted to.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 18, 2016 23:29:12 GMT
*facepalm*
That a Brit who has never been to the US, much less understand its convoluted political system, would know the nuances of constitutional amendment better than a US nitwit is a stinging indictment of the public education system in this country.
Any way, the Second Amendment has already been 'destroyed' by the perverse reading made of it by the likes of the National Rifle Association.
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Post by Moose on Sept 18, 2016 23:42:49 GMT
Ironically, the person I was replying to is an Ivy League graduate.
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