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Justin
Jul 6, 2016 17:48:51 GMT
Post by Kye on Jul 6, 2016 17:48:51 GMT
I love this pic of our Prime Minister Justin Trudeau at the Toronto Pride parade. Just sayin'...
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Justin
Jul 6, 2016 18:43:54 GMT
Post by Moose on Jul 6, 2016 18:43:54 GMT
I hate to be shallow but he's hot How come you guys wound up with someone like him and the US is on the verge of getting Trump?
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Justin
Jul 6, 2016 18:52:59 GMT
Post by Kye on Jul 6, 2016 18:52:59 GMT
Yeah, he is hot. Americans and Canadians are quite different, all things considered. I know we're all North Americans, but it's surprising how much we differ in culture. I can't see Trump ever making it in Canada (knock wood...).
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Justin
Jul 7, 2016 0:43:44 GMT
Post by jayme on Jul 7, 2016 0:43:44 GMT
That's hot.
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Justin
Jul 7, 2016 14:04:45 GMT
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Post by juju on Jul 7, 2016 14:04:45 GMT
Sigh...
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Justin
Jul 8, 2016 11:58:22 GMT
Post by spaceflower on Jul 8, 2016 11:58:22 GMT
I don't think he looks hot at all. A prime minisster should have more elegant clothes. His clothes may be brand clothes but they look lika any hobo could wear the, they don't even look clean. But Justin Trudeau himself seems to be a really nice and smart (and not anti-intellecutal) politician. With a sense of humour too. indy100.independent.co.uk/article/19-reasons-why-the-world-has-fallen-in-love-with-canadas-prime-minister-justin-trudeau--Z1nJRgUCcxTrudeau has degrees in literature and engineering. He also taught French and Maths for a living. The only thing that I don't like is this: So marijuana will be legalised in Canada soon? He seems to be one of the few persons who look better without his clothes:
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Justin
Jul 8, 2016 14:45:34 GMT
Post by Kye on Jul 8, 2016 14:45:34 GMT
I like the hobo look, so I still find him hot. Hopefully, marijuana will be legalized here soon. It's really about time.
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Justin
Jul 8, 2016 16:56:03 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Jul 8, 2016 16:56:03 GMT
It's interesting to see so many ladies chime in about Justin. No matter how easy he is on the eyes, I still wonder what the governance is actually like. I imagine after the likes of Stephen Harper, most anything might be a relief.
Yeah, hopefully, the whole cannabis thing will be settled up there. As it is, massive amounts of cannabis is being cultivated in Canada and some of the best stuff comes here from BC. I'm not sure why it is spaceflower objects, but here we are waiting to see what kind of revenues the cannabis tax will generate.
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Justin
Jul 8, 2016 18:38:49 GMT
Post by Moose on Jul 8, 2016 18:38:49 GMT
I think his clothes are nice and smart . Makes a nice change from politicians wearing two thousand pound suits that the taxpayer provided them with
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Justin
Jul 8, 2016 19:37:20 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Jul 8, 2016 19:37:20 GMT
Oh, Mr. Trudeau has the ability to make a two thousand pound suit look like an excellent public investment.
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Justin
Jul 8, 2016 20:30:06 GMT
Post by jayme on Jul 8, 2016 20:30:06 GMT
I wouldn't wear a two thousand pound suit to a parade on a hot summer day, either.
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Justin
Jul 8, 2016 22:54:57 GMT
Post by spaceflower on Jul 8, 2016 22:54:57 GMT
I think his clothes are nice and smart . Makes a nice change from politicians wearing two thousand pound suits that the taxpayer provided them with There must be something between the hobo look and a two thousand pound suit. Anyway, I assume Trudeau has a salary paid by the taxpayers just like other prime ministers. Most men look good in suits, Trudeau too.
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Justin
Jul 8, 2016 22:59:34 GMT
Post by spaceflower on Jul 8, 2016 22:59:34 GMT
Yeah, hopefully, the whole cannabis thing will be settled up there. As it is, massive amounts of cannabis is being cultivated in Canada and some of the best stuff comes here from BC. I'm not sure why it is spaceflower objects, but here we are waiting to see what kind of revenues the cannabis tax will generate. Am I the only one who is not a drug-liberal here? No politician who wants to be taken seriously would advocate legalization of marijuana in Sweden. Everything can't be about the money. Marijuana makes people more stupid.
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Justin
Jul 8, 2016 23:59:54 GMT
Post by Kye on Jul 8, 2016 23:59:54 GMT
No more than alcohol, and that's legal (in Sweden too, I presume).
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 0:02:37 GMT
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Post by tangent on Jul 9, 2016 0:02:37 GMT
Am I the only one who is not a drug-liberal here? I have no firm view because I can see both sides of the argument for and against marijuana. I would like to see it legalised for medicinal use.
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 0:19:58 GMT
Post by Moose on Jul 9, 2016 0:19:58 GMT
What Kye said. I don't smoke the stuff myself but I see no reason why alcohol would be legal and pot not.
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 0:40:11 GMT
Post by spaceflower on Jul 9, 2016 0:40:11 GMT
No more than alcohol, and that's legal (in Sweden too, I presume). Yes, due to old traditions. If it was invented today, it would not be allowed. And we have to go to Systembolaget to buy strong beer, wine and stronger spirits. You cannot buy it in ordinary shops or in the night or on Sundays. www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2014/10/07/is-marijuana-harmful"Cognitive impairment", I interprete as people smoking pot get unsmarter. I would not want to be on a bus with a drunk driver, but at least drunkenness is easy to see and smell.
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 1:16:21 GMT
Post by Moose on Jul 9, 2016 1:16:21 GMT
Most drugs that are now illegal were once legal, at least here in the UK (and I think the US too). Cannabis included.
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 1:41:12 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Jul 9, 2016 1:41:12 GMT
Actually, alcohol is a considerably greater threat to self and community than cannabis ever will be or can be. For one, cannabis is NOT physically addictive.
Cannabis was criminalized in the early 20th century in the US because it was linked to persistant use by minorities and it became an easy way to incarcerate unwanted marginal members of the community...or demonize transients. Criminalization was an aspect of racism in America.
I would note that if you follow the Darwin Awards, you will realize that most of the contenders (stupidity unto death) were drunks, not stoners.
I won't deny that it causes 'cognitive impairment', it does...it is an intoxicant. But, of all the possible intoxicants available, cannabis is, by far, the most benign in its impact and duration. The worst part of cannabis intoxication is not that it makes one stupid, but that it demotivates the user. Stoners are much, much less likely to do something stupid, largely because they cannot be arsed to do much of anything. Stoners are much more mellow and laid back in their approach to most everything...less conflict is the result.
Spaceflower, I think you need to do some research. You will find that, unlike alcohol, cannabis actually has bona fide health benefits. This is why it was the health-fragile, particularly oncology patients, here in the US who assertively pressed for medical cannabis to be made available. Now that much of the stigma of criminality has been removed, a great deal more research can be done in to the medical and health benefits of cannabis.
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 1:57:53 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Jul 9, 2016 1:57:53 GMT
No more than alcohol, and that's legal (in Sweden too, I presume). Yes, due to old traditions. If it was invented today, it would not be allowed. And we have to go to Systembolaget to buy strong beer, wine and stronger spirits. You cannot buy it in ordinary shops or in the night or on Sundays. www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2014/10/07/is-marijuana-harmful"Cognitive impairment", I interprete as people smoking pot get unsmarter. I would not want to be on a bus with a drunk driver, but at least drunkenness is easy to see and smell. I don't worry about stoned drivers. I worry about drivers using electronic communications devices while driving a motor vehicle. I can assure you that such vastly outnumber the cannabis impaired drivers. I also worry more about drivers under the influence of completely legal prescription drugs. I don't advise driving under the influence, but cannabis is the least of my worries. As for the 'cognitive impairment' issue...no place of which I am aware makes it legal for adolescents to access and use cannabis. So, your argument is moot. For those whom you have shown concern, the law has addressed their protection. Now, as to how it is enforced....well, how well we do with keeping illegal alcohol out of the hands of adolescents and the damage there is cognitive, physical, psychological, familial, social, usually chronic, and all too often results in early fatalities, is any indication, I think we need to get more pot in the hands of adolescents and less alcohol. And definitely we need to limit access for adolescents to electronic communications...it's ruining our youth. Lastly, are you familiar with Prohibition, or the concept of complete political suppression of a market? What results are underground, black markets, usually run by criminal elements because the return on investment is so high. That's what happened with alcohol. That's what happened with cannabis. That's what has happened with opiods and coca derivatives, too. Taking a relatively benign intoxicant (less threatening than any other intoxicant available) out of the criminal black market, regulating and taxing its use, and openly researching additional beneficial results promises much better results than just another criminal enterprise. If there are significant problems, its legality allows those problems to be openly dealt with, rather than demonized and marginalized because it is stigmatized with inaccurate fear-mongering misinformation. (Oh...If I were you, I would not trust the US News & World Report on social issues. It is a hyperconservative US mainstream media source.)
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 1:59:54 GMT
Post by Kye on Jul 9, 2016 1:59:54 GMT
I have a friend who suffers from debilitating migraines. Cannabis is one of the very few substances which gives her any relief.
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 2:11:54 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Jul 9, 2016 2:11:54 GMT
I have a friend who suffers from debilitating migraines. Cannabis is one of the very few substances which gives her any relief. Likewise. (And my friend is a Presbyterian divine.) When my wife was undergoing chemotherapy for her cancer, practically every other patient in her round advised her to obtain then illegal cannabis for the pain and nausea associated with chemo and radiation. I've been a recreational user since I was 17 and always had easy access, so we made sure she had what she needed.
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 3:09:49 GMT
Post by Moose on Jul 9, 2016 3:09:49 GMT
What is a Presbyterian divine? Is that like being .. God?
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 4:12:44 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Jul 9, 2016 4:12:44 GMT
What is a Presbyterian divine? Is that like being .. God? A Calvinist cleric. Not Anglican; more like the zealots of the Kirk of Scotland. Also known in Protestant parlance as a 'minister' or a 'pastor'.
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 11:55:57 GMT
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Post by tangent on Jul 9, 2016 11:55:57 GMT
"Cognitive impairment", I interprete as people smoking pot get unsmarter. It's rather more sinister. Heavy use of marijuana in teenagers has been linked with schizophrenia. This is the main reason I'm unhappy with legalising it (although last time I looked at this, the research was controversial). I'm totally unconvinced by the argument that that marijuana should be legalised because alcohol causes more harm.
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 15:39:00 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Jul 9, 2016 15:39:00 GMT
"Cognitive impairment", I interprete as people smoking pot get unsmarter. It's rather more sinister. Heavy use of marijuana in teenagers has been linked with schizophrenia. This is the main reason I'm unhappy with legalising it (although last time I looked at this, the research was controversial). I'm totally unconvinced by the argument that that marijuana should be legalised because alcohol causes more harm. Being 'tipsy' or 'drunk' under the effects of alcohol is 'cognitively impaired'....Ingesting intoxicants imposes transient cognitive impairment. It's usually why most users ingest intoxicants; to change their cognitive perceptions. Thankfully, it is usually transient. Yes...the research you cite is controversial. I'd even say that it is part and parcel of the official lies used to maintain the prohibition on its use. I would even be interested to see the citation on the 'research' which supports such a contention. I personally think that if anything should be criminalized, it should be alcohol. Not cannabis. Compared, the cannabis is benign. I'm totally unconvinced that you know much about the issue at all, tangent. Have you even ingested any cannabis? Ever?
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 16:41:09 GMT
Post by spaceflower on Jul 9, 2016 16:41:09 GMT
Yes, due to old traditions. If it was invented today, it would not be allowed. And we have to go to Systembolaget to buy strong beer, wine and stronger spirits. You cannot buy it in ordinary shops or in the night or on Sundays. www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2014/10/07/is-marijuana-harmful"Cognitive impairment", I interprete as people smoking pot get unsmarter. I would not want to be on a bus with a drunk driver, but at least drunkenness is easy to see and smell. I don't worry about stoned drivers. I worry about drivers using electronic communications devices while driving a motor vehicle. I can assure you that such vastly outnumber the cannabis impaired drivers. I also worry more about drivers under the influence of completely legal prescription drugs. I don't advise driving under the influence, but cannabis is the least of my worries. As for the 'cognitive impairment' issue...no place of which I am aware makes it legal for adolescents to access and use cannabis. So, your argument is moot. For those whom you have shown concern, the law has addressed their protection. Now, as to how it is enforced....well, how well we do with keeping illegal alcohol out of the hands of adolescents and the damage there is cognitive, physical, psychological, familial, social, usually chronic, and all too often results in early fatalities, is any indication, I think we need to get more pot in the hands of adolescents and less alcohol. And definitely we need to limit access for adolescents to electronic communications...it's ruining our youth. Lastly, are you familiar with Prohibition, or the concept of complete political suppression of a market? What results are underground, black markets, usually run by criminal elements because the return on investment is so high. That's what happened with alcohol. That's what happened with cannabis. That's what has happened with opiods and coca derivatives, too. Taking a relatively benign intoxicant (less threatening than any other intoxicant available) out of the criminal black market, regulating and taxing its use, and openly researching additional beneficial results promises much better results than just another criminal enterprise. If there are significant problems, its legality allows those problems to be openly dealt with, rather than demonized and marginalized because it is stigmatized with inaccurate fear-mongering misinformation. (Oh...If I were you, I would not trust the US News & World Report on social issues. It is a hyperconservative US mainstream media source.) Well, count me in among the hyperconservative when it comes to drugs. But I get my information from Swedish sources which I cannot cite. Maybe this one is better: www.nhs.uk/Livewell/drugs/Pages/cannabis-facts.aspx
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 16:48:27 GMT
Post by spaceflower on Jul 9, 2016 16:48:27 GMT
So people's opinions are not worth anything if they have not tried it themselves: If I never have used heroin, I don't know anything and should not even voice an opinion if heroin should be prohibited If I never have used weapons, I don't know anything and should not even voice an opinion on gun control
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 16:54:33 GMT
Post by spaceflower on Jul 9, 2016 16:54:33 GMT
Cannabis can be used as a medicine in Sweden too (Sativex). But you need a prescription from a physician and you buy it in a pharmacy.
But legalization means that anyone can buy it for recreational purpose. Even if there is an age limit, teenagers will get hold of it easier. And it is most dangerous for them since the brain is not fully developed until about 25 years.
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Justin
Jul 9, 2016 17:13:40 GMT
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Post by tangent on Jul 9, 2016 17:13:40 GMT
You can't help but make snide remarks with anyone who disagrees you, WG. That's twice in two weeks. I'm out of here.
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