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Post by Moose on Sept 24, 2016 20:51:19 GMT
So, Corbyn has been relected to the Labour party leadership by quiet a comfortable margin. Reaction on my facebook feed seems to be mixed - a lot of people are happy but there are a few who consider it a disaster and are even talking about leaving the party. What do people think? And - is he capable of beating the Tories?
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Post by spaceflower on Sept 24, 2016 21:20:41 GMT
Seems a lot of people like him among the grassroots but the insiders do not. Is he a blast from the past?
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Post by Moose on Sept 24, 2016 21:56:40 GMT
Yes Compared with the Labour party the last twenty years
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Post by tangent on Sept 24, 2016 23:01:19 GMT
It's a takeover by left wing activists. Nothing good will come of it because the majority of Labour voters who are not activists want something else.
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Post by juju on Sept 25, 2016 0:49:48 GMT
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Post by Moose on Sept 25, 2016 2:52:55 GMT
Team Juju
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Post by tangent on Sept 25, 2016 8:15:48 GMT
Then why do the majority of Labour MPS want him to ditch him?
There are two Labour Parties, the far left whom Corben and his followers represent and the moderate Labour Party which is represented by the majority of Labour MPS. Voters have elected Labour MPS on a moderate Labour ticket. History has shown that the far left can never win an election and that is why we currently have a moderate Labour Party.
The problem as I see it is that the leadership election procedure is fundamentally flawed because it allows activists to hijack the party. The only sound way of electing a leader is by limiting the vote to Labour MPs themselves and not having any outside influence.
At the previous leadership election (before Corben), the majority of Labour MPS wanted to elected David Milliband but the unions swayed the vote to his brother Ed. Had David Milliband been Labour leader, they might even have won the last general election. But the unions scuppered that possibility. It's a question of whether you want hard left principles or a viable party.
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Post by juju on Sept 25, 2016 9:10:17 GMT
I personally don't know ANY Labour voters who didn't want Corbyn. And they are not 'far left', they just want a return to Labour values and not some watered down Blairite pseudo Toryism. The Labour Party now has well over half a million members, far more than any other party.
I think all disaffected people now want to vote for someone who actually stands for something. But that's a double edged sword - it's the reason traditional Labour voters are also being swayed by UKIP and the SNP. People aren't interested in the middle ground any more - hence the dire situation of the Lib Dems.
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Post by juju on Sept 25, 2016 12:35:31 GMT
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Post by Moose on Sept 25, 2016 22:44:21 GMT
I know people on both sides but most of my Labour friends were pro Corbyn. The Pro Owen thingy ones are less than please right now, obviously.
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Post by tangent on Sept 26, 2016 8:56:31 GMT
It needs someone with charisma, like Neil Kinnock, to pull it off. And Owen Smith has about as much charisma as John Major. As least Corben has principles.
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Post by juju on Sept 26, 2016 18:28:25 GMT
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Post by Moose on Sept 26, 2016 19:40:42 GMT
Owen was like Miliband I thought - maybe his intentions were good but no, no charisma at all.
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