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Post by spaceflower on Mar 4, 2017 11:25:04 GMT
An American journalist, Tim Pool, went to Sweden to find out the truth. Well, personally I don't think you find the truth about a country just by a short visit. www.salon.com/2017/02/28/watch-infowars-sponsored-journalists-trip-to-malmo-sweden-finds-little-evidence-of-muslim-crime-wave/Well, the truth is there are no "no-go-zones" for the police. But ambulances and fire trucks have been staying and waiting for the police b/c they are met with stone throwing youngsters (of immigrant origin). How stupid can you get, it may be their own families who need the ambulance one day? But they say "this is not Sweden, this is Our Territory, Swedish laws and Swedish auhorities have no right to be here". Also, criminal gangs shoot in broad daylight and if you are unlucky you can get shot just by visiting the same restaurant like a criminal gang. Often witnesses and surviving victims don't want to say anything. But is this special for Sweden? It seems Sweden has become more "international". But if Pool had dressed as an orthodox Jew (with a kippa or a necklace with a star of David) in Rosengård, then he would be met with evil stares and threats. It would not be safe for a Jew to visit Rosengård in the evening. There is a lot af antisemitism in Malmö, and those behind it are the New Swedes (Muslim immigrants).
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Post by tangent on Mar 4, 2017 12:12:15 GMT
There is a disconnect between claims and statistics and this leads me to believe that anti-racist claims are being made maliciously. I've seen claims that immigrants are several times more likely to commit rape and murder and that serious crimes are committed mostly by immigrants. But this is not born out by official statistics.
If the claims are to be believed, there should have been a marked increase in serious crime over the past decade because the proportion of immigrants has increased by about 50%. According to some claims, the crime rate should also have increased by 50%. And yet official statistics show zero increase in serious crime between 2005 and 2014.
I'm convinced this means anti-racist claims are bullshit.
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Post by Moose on Mar 4, 2017 19:48:38 GMT
Nonetheless, a fifth of the population having an immigrant background is quite high. Perhaps other European countries need to step up and take more immigrants themselves? (including us). I highly doubt that Malmo is the most dangerous city in Western Europe though
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 9, 2017 1:19:29 GMT
Lund is a university town very near Malmö. There has been an uproar since a raped girl (14 yrs old) can't go to school any more since the two boys who raped her still go in school. Ann Heberlein, author and Doctor of Theology wrote: ledarsidorna.se/2017/03/sweden-where-perpetrators-become-victims/Be assured that all readers notice the name of the perpetrator, of immigrant origin.
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Post by Moose on Mar 10, 2017 0:05:18 GMT
I do not understand. Are rape laws that lenient in Sweden? Is the issue really that the perps were immigrants or are there native Swedes who are let off on rape charges? Both are diabolical.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 5:24:14 GMT
I do not understand. Are rape laws that lenient in Sweden? Is the issue really that the perps were immigrants or are there native Swedes who are let off on rape charges? Both are diabolical. Where does it say the perpetrators were/were not immigrants?
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Post by tangent on Mar 10, 2017 5:43:44 GMT
This is an article about bad Swedish justice and very poor aftercare, not about immigrants. There is no suggestion that Ajuub and his friend were treated differently because they were immigrants. (Indeed we don't even know if they are immigrants.) But unfortunately, this case is being bandied about by racist websites, such as this to whip up anti-racist feelings: www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/sweden-muslim-migrant-teens-rape-14-year-old-girl-at-school-they-stay-at-school-she-is-transferredThis case would have been just as tragic if the the boy had been called Oscar - which I believe is a typical Swedish name - but it would not have attracted anywhere near as much attention. His friend was let off because he was below the age of criminal liability. Ajuub was only just liable (the age of criminal liability in Sweden is 15) and this might have influenced the lenient sentence.
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 10, 2017 15:31:07 GMT
Yes, you can get away with murder if you are under 15.
The way the school treated this was bad. But they boys have now been moved and the headmaster is no longer headmaster. This is of course b/c of all protestes.
I don't think that the school treated the rapist boys better b/c they were of immigrant origin. But some say so, they say the authorities dare not do anything for fear of being accused of racism. And they say that Ajuub will end up in prison, and this I believe. They get away with anything before they are 15, they get very lenient "punishments" when 15-18 years and even a "youth discount" when they are 18-21 years old. By the time they are 21, they are hardened criminals. Ajuub's elder brother is already sentenced to prison b/c of robbing women, handicapped people etc.
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Post by Moose on Mar 10, 2017 17:33:33 GMT
Well the thing is then that, as Steve said, it's got nothing to do with the ethnic origin of the rapists - it's simply to do with the fact that Sweden apparently has some extremely lax laws when it comes to young men committing sexual assault.
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 12, 2017 1:38:24 GMT
Apropos Oscar, thursday afternoon there was a quarrel between two boys Oscar and Ludvig, both 13 years old and going in the same school. One stabbed the other to death. Since the perpetrator is so young, the police has no hurry to interrogate him. He is suspected for murder or manslaughter. But there will be no trial and no penalty, just contact with the social service. Especially sad with such young children. This happened in a small town in southern Sweden. One wonders why this happens but there will be secrecy b/c of the killer's age.
But almost every day one reads about new murders. They have increased.
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Post by Moose on Mar 12, 2017 4:19:25 GMT
But not because of immigration. I am surprised, though, that in Sweden a young boy can kill another and not be incarcerated.
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Post by Moose on Mar 12, 2017 4:24:37 GMT
Back in the late nineties (?) there was a case here which I think everyone in the UK will remember, and perhaps those living overseas too. It involved two ten year old boys who abducted a two year old from a shopping centre, walked him a long distance away then tortured and murdered him. That was a huge case here. The boys in question were place in juvenile detention for an indefinite period (had they been under ten they would not have been) but were subsequently released shortly before each turned eighteen, when they would have had to have been moved to an adult prison.
One of them has apparently kept out of trouble since then. The other was re-arrested a few years ago after child porn was found on his computer.
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Post by Moose on Mar 12, 2017 4:26:33 GMT
(I've just googled .. this happened in 93 apparently. I had thought it was later).
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Post by tangent on Mar 12, 2017 8:50:56 GMT
... which I think everyone in the UK will remember... I certainly remember the case, although I don't think Luke next door does because he's only 11. PS Do i get this week's pedant award?
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 12, 2017 12:26:33 GMT
Yes, I remember the case of the murdered James Bulgar. Interesting comparison between Norway (where 5 year old Silje was killed by two playmets) and England: www.smh.com.au/world/rights-and-wrongs-a-tale-of-two-killings-20100322-qr8e.html. (Norway and Sweden are very similar in this aspect, how criminal children are treated by the law.) Of course, we have had cases in Sweden before. Arvika 1998: 4 year old Kevin in the small town Arvika was killed by his two play mates, two brothers 5 and 7. They held a stick against his neck so that he was suffocated. Then they dragged his body to a nearby lake. So young children may not really understand what they are doing. But a police said that even small children know what they are doing. Södertälje 2001: A boy, 12, killed his friend 11, with a scissor. They had fallen out and the killer overreacted. Ljungby 2011: A boy, 10, strangled a 4-year boy with a skipping-rope. The killer was described as temperamental and problematic. Varberg 2015. Two 13 year old boys killed a 65 year old man. They had run away from a foster home and were out to steal the victim’s money and car. They had beaten and stabbed him. Both blame the other. (There have been some cases when both perpetrators get away with murder b/c they blamed the other and the court could not decide which one is guilty so both go free. Though since they were 13, they will not go to prison any way.) Broby 2006: A 14 year old boy stabbed a 15 year old in the heart. There had been a conflict, rumour has it that the older boy had beaten up the other and this was the revenge. The school had tried to mediate but in vain. Olofström 2017. One 13 year old stabs another 13 year to death. Why should a 13 year old go around armed with a knife anyway? Rumour has it that is was about drugs.
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Post by tangent on Mar 12, 2017 14:25:11 GMT
So, what do you think the age of criminal responsibility should be? It varies around the world from 7 in India, and some Middle East and African countries to 18 in Brazil and a number of South American countries.
UK parliament has considered raising the age to 12 years.
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 12, 2017 17:17:55 GMT
10 years is way too low! You don't give children the rights of grown ups at 10, so you should not give them the responsibilities either. That's illogical imo.
There is something seriously wrong with children who commit these crimes (and/or their parents). Mary Bell is another famous example.
I think 15 years is a suitable age, but 14, 13 o4 12 is better than 10. What I don't believe in is the "youth discount" going on till 21 that we have in Sweden. Young people (15-21) can be sentenced to "sluten ungdomsvård" (literally "closed youth care", don't know the English term) where they are locked up - in the beginning and getting treatment (KBT, ART, MTFC etc.
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Post by Moose on Mar 12, 2017 18:26:59 GMT
Personally I have no problem with 10 being the age of criminal responsibility, although that does not mean that children of that age who commit serious crimes should be sentenced as adults.
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 12, 2017 23:04:35 GMT
But 10 year olds are children! Or do you consider that they are suddenly grown-ups? The fact that they have committed heinous crimes is not a proof that they are especially mature, but that they are mentally damaged. The age of consent is also different in different countries. In Sweden this is 15 years too. So a limit is passed at 15 years, you are still a child but you can be sentenced to prison and other people can have sex legally with you. You are sort of almost grown up at 15. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_infancyAll the Nordic countries have 15 years. I could live with 14 years too.
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 13, 2017 0:50:28 GMT
To get back to Tim Pool, he visited Rinkeby (suburb of Stockholm) too. And according to this video he was not "allowed" by the teenage gang to film there. It is not aganst the law in Sweden to film in public places lika streets and markets. But those criminal gangs have their own laws. "This is Our Territory and you don't have the right to film us without our permission". Pool says there were masked men. There was a police car there and Pool though that he would be safe. Like the police would protect him. But they said that it would be a good idea for Pool etc to get out of there before there was any trouble. "If we arrest one person, there will be 50 more with stones." Who are in control, the police or the criminals? So the police car sort of escorted Pool and his crew out of Rinkeby.
I don't like the term "no go zone", it is a military term. I don't think it would be dangerous for me to go to Rinkeby, at least not without camera. But I do think it might be dangerous for journalists with cameras. Most peopel in Rinkeby are not hostile but the criminal gangs rule. And this is bad. An Australian TV-team were attacked in Rinkeby. It has happened to Swedish and Norwegian TV-teams also.
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Post by Moose on Mar 14, 2017 0:56:34 GMT
As I said, I would not want ten year olds to be sentenced as adults. But that does not mean that they should not be sentenced at all .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 13:27:18 GMT
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 16, 2017 19:38:47 GMT
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Post by Moose on Mar 17, 2017 18:31:09 GMT
Heh I am not sure I'd trust anything about immigrants in the Daily Mail
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Post by spaceflower on Jun 24, 2017 1:17:18 GMT
The Daily Mail has its own agenda. But we know that this is true.
Many young shooters (murder or attempted murder) are of immigrant origin, from Middle East, North Africa or Somalia. 90% of the case the police has solved (in many cases the shootings are not solved at all) of cases investigated by DN. DN (Dagens Nyheter) is not a tabloid but a serious newspaper, (liberal, an equivalent of British Guardian) has written articles about it.
These boys fail in school, they use cannabis, they commit crimes, they live at their parents' home, they don't work. And they shoot for petty reasons. The intregration has failed. So many people say "we don't want any more refugees from those countries". Usually the shooters are not refugees or immigrants, but sons of refugees/immigrants.
Also, in case of group rapes, in most cases the rapists are from the same groups (and in some cases refugees). "Ordinary rapes" are committed by native Swedes too, but group rapes is another thing. The reason being, people say, that men from these cultures have no respect for women. At least not for Swedish women who dress "indecently" according to Muslim standards, who drink alcohol and have sex without being married.
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A little variety is good. Some of us might be sick of prednisone. Those side effects are dreadful. :-( I don't at all miss being on that stuff.
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