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Post by Moose on Mar 22, 2017 19:15:19 GMT
Are all of my friends in London okay? Not a lot to say about this yet as ultimately, it's not known who did it or why.
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Post by juju on Mar 22, 2017 19:45:30 GMT
Eden works in Westminster. Thankfully he called me before I'd even heard the news. His girlfriend is still on lockdown there.
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Post by Kye on Mar 22, 2017 21:17:20 GMT
Horrible...
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 22, 2017 21:54:40 GMT
Sounds like alone IS-jihadist. IS has said "take what you got" (bombs, guns, knives, cars).
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Post by JoeP on Mar 22, 2017 21:59:10 GMT
Yup, just another attack in London.
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 22, 2017 22:23:24 GMT
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Post by juju on Mar 22, 2017 22:58:07 GMT
Thankfully Eden was at a job interview in a different department when it happened. It was announced on the tannoy that the whole Palace was in lockdown. Had he been in his usual office he would have been under lockdown until much later - as it was they were released at about 7.
Eden's girlfriend was there at the scene. She works right at the front of the building and was told to get on the ground and then ushered into a ticket office by the police (to hide), where she heard gunfire. She's had to give a statement. She's shaken up but ok.
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 23, 2017 22:44:16 GMT
Um...juju?
I noticed that today they released more details on the perpetrator. A native-born citizen, Khalid Masood. They continued by stating that a number of others were arrested upon suspicion of engaging in terrorist actions.
"The Met Police says detectives are continuing to search a number of addresses, including one in Carmarthenshire, three in Birmingham and one in east London. Addresses in Brighton and south-east London have also been searched."
Note that 'one in Carmarthenshire'. That's near you, no?
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 24, 2017 15:33:44 GMT
The perp's parents moved to Carmarthenshire.
It certainly sounds like there is a 'Round up the usual suspects!' thing going on....like there was a 'cell'.
Or, is that just 'interested parties' being 'invited to assist in the investigation'?
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Post by juju on Mar 24, 2017 18:12:51 GMT
Gosh, Carmarthenshire. The only newsworthy things happening here usually involve either sheep or flooding.
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Post by tangent on Mar 24, 2017 23:14:03 GMT
It certainly sounds like there is a 'Round up the usual suspects!' thing going on....like there was a 'cell'. I suspect wiretapping known extremists because they arrested people so quickly.
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Post by juju on Mar 26, 2017 10:27:20 GMT
I feel sorry for the parents. He was a convert to Islam, born in Kent. They probably retired to the country (as many do) for a quiet life.
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Post by Moose on Mar 27, 2017 22:47:42 GMT
And they will likely be subject to reprisals now
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 29, 2017 0:57:52 GMT
Maybe he was all alone in this, a lone wolf: www.bbc.com/news/uk-39408786So we will never know what the real reason for this attack. And his family is as shocked as the rest of us, but people will suspect they knew something: www.bbc.com/news/uk-39416002I think I read somewhere the his mother now has police protection.
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Post by spaceflower on Apr 14, 2017 15:57:35 GMT
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Post by JoeP on Apr 14, 2017 16:54:17 GMT
immersion: being immersed in a liquid - covered by it This might lead to drowning but he specifically isn't saying drowning so that presumably wasn't a primary cause.
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Post by tangent on Apr 15, 2017 6:43:31 GMT
The Thames would have been very cold, and she would have taken in water in her lungs, especially if she had been knocked unconscious.
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Post by spaceflower on Apr 15, 2017 15:46:30 GMT
So too little oxygen so that the brain was permanently damaged. So sad, she lived on for two weeks after the attack but did not make it anyway.
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Post by hexgoblinweb on Apr 17, 2017 13:39:54 GMT
Looks like ISIS is wanting a 3rd World War, the way they keep attacking countries.
PS: Sorry about the attack and the fatalities. Glad not more were killed. Were there a lot of injuries?
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Post by Yuki on Apr 23, 2017 10:44:52 GMT
Looks like ISIS is wanting a 3rd World War, the way they keep attacking countries. Juju once posted this article which explains the real motives of ISIS. The tl;dr version is that they are an apocalyptic sect, seeking the fulfillment of Islamic/Judeo-Christian prophecies about the end of the world, which involves a big battle between "good" and "evil", and the coming of several figures such as the false Messiah (Al-Massih Ad-Dajjal), the 'Awaited' Mahdi, and the true Messiah (Jesus).
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Post by hexgoblinweb on Apr 23, 2017 13:27:51 GMT
So what you are saying is that ISIS believes it is their duty to bring about the end of the world. Cool. I doubt if that is what God had in mind, but then no one knows the time of the end of the world except for God Himself. To look at the 'false Messiah' or the 'Anti-Christ', there has been several throughout the millennia, one or two more isn't going to make that much of a difference. I am assuming the 'Awaited Mahdi' is another way of saying 'Anti-Christ'. So, I will wait for the Coming of the True Messiah if you don't mind.
Thank you, Yuki, for that information. It helps to understand the mindset of those who are ISIS.
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Post by Yuki on Apr 23, 2017 13:44:21 GMT
I am assuming the 'Awaited Mahdi' is another way of saying 'Anti-Christ'. No, not from an Islamic perspective at least. The Awaited Mahdi is believed by many Muslims (especially Shia Muslims) to be a man who will come at the end of time and lead them to victory against Al Massih Ad-Dajjal. Once defeated, Jesus would come down to Earth and the Mahdi would become his assistant or such. In other versions, they would come together at the same time and lead believers (Muslims, of course) to victory against unbelievers. As with the Messiah and the Anti-Messiah, there had been many self-proclaimed Mahdis in history, one of whom, at least, achieved a great measure of political success. He was the first caliph in the Almohad dynasty in Morocco, which also conquered a large swathe of North and West Africa as well as Southern Spain.
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Post by Moose on Apr 23, 2017 22:44:06 GMT
So .. Muslims believe that Jesus is the Messiah? HOw does that work??
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Post by Yuki on Apr 24, 2017 4:35:43 GMT
Well, Muslims believe that Jesus is a mere mortal and a prophet. They believe that he was not crucified at the cross (Judah, who was transformed into his likeness by the will of God, was crucified in his stead), and that he ascended to heaven directly (instead of resurrecting after three days and then ascending as most Christians believe today). Many of them also believe that he will descend on Earth once again at the end of times. This Muslim version was probably taken from a combination of Nestorian and Monophysite Christians who existed in the Middle East back then, both of which were considered heretics by the Catholic. Basilides in his (now lost) gospel for example stated that Jesus was not crucified, and that someone took his image and was crucified in his stead.
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Post by hexgoblinweb on Apr 24, 2017 13:54:51 GMT
This is all so very interesting, Yuki, I am truly appreciating you sharing this information. Although it really doesn't help me much in understanding the Muslims (ISIS), it does help a little bit in understanding why they think the need to destroy 'non-believers' is so strong.
Another question, if you don't mind...The Quran, is it the same as the Old Testament in Christian Bibles and the Koran of the Jewish religion?
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Post by Yuki on Apr 24, 2017 22:23:50 GMT
Another question, if you don't mind...The Quran, is it the same as the Old Testament in Christian Bibles and the Koran of the Jewish religion? No, it's a separate book which, according to Muslim belief, was revealed to their prophet Muhammad through the angel Gabriel. It's also the first book that was written in the Arabic language.
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Post by Moose on Apr 24, 2017 22:56:15 GMT
I might be wrong but I believe that the OT and the Torah and the Qu'ran have some things in common but that there is much in all of them that does not appear in the others
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Post by Yuki on Apr 25, 2017 0:42:08 GMT
Yes, the Koran talks about some of the Hebrew prophets (Abraham, Lot, Moses, Aaron, Solomon, David, Jacob, Isaac, Joseph, etc), and also briefly about Jesus and Mary (though some stories about Jesus and his mother have a few peculiarities, so they might have been derived from heretical stories by some local long-forgotten Christian sect), but it also includes myths and stories that were added afterwards, like the story of the Seven Sleepers, which is just a metaphorical story that was (re)written (though likely not authored) by Jacob of Sarug, a Christian priest of the 5th century. And it also adds elements from Arab paganism, such as two Arab prophets named Saleh and Hud, and stories about Djinns, which are invisible creatures that resided in the desert and could take possession of people, according to Arab belief.
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Post by tangent on Apr 25, 2017 4:08:55 GMT
Another question, if you don't mind...The Quran, is it the same as the Old Testament in Christian Bibles and the Koran of the Jewish religion? Koran is just an alternative spelling of Quran. The Jewish Bible is called the Tanakh and consists of the Torah ("Teaching", also known as the Five Books of Moses), Nevi'im ("Prophets") and Ketuvim ("Writings"). It corresponds quite closely with 22 of the Old Testament books, although there are differences in translation.
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Post by hexgoblinweb on Apr 25, 2017 15:10:06 GMT
Makes one wonder what is truly right and was it wrong in any religion. During the Dark Ages the Catholic Church (which was started by Constantine of Roman when he realized he could not stop Christianity from spreading), told the followers lies about what the Bible accurately said in order to control the people. Also taking into account the era of the Church going after alleged heretics or disbelievers of the Catholic religion. Now I am very much confused about Judaism, Islamic, Muslim, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.
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