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Post by whollygoats on Sept 10, 2017 5:41:34 GMT
So, during the heat wave, I've been wasting time watching videos on YouTube and, along with Celtic histories, Postmodern Jukebox, and aircraft videos, I stumbled across a treasure-trove of videos by Lucy Worsley on various aspects of British, and European, culture.
Her series on British history's biggest fibs is wonderful. I hope she does more.
I must admit, I've grown fond of Lucy.
Need I worry?
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Post by Mari on Sept 10, 2017 13:31:37 GMT
Neve heard of her. Must check it out though.
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Post by Moose on Sept 10, 2017 19:57:45 GMT
I love Lucy Worsley - I got a tweet from her once too . Have you seen the series she did on old houses?
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Post by Kye on Sept 10, 2017 21:06:22 GMT
I've never heard of her either.
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Post by tangent on Sept 10, 2017 21:36:12 GMT
Nor me, but then I wouldn't.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 11, 2017 0:22:10 GMT
I love Lucy Worsley - I got a tweet from her once too . Have you seen the series she did on old houses? I like the twinkle in her presentations. I'd call it a bit of academic puckishness. And, I kept thinking I was hearing her speak with a unique dialect. I was going to ask here, but reading her wiki bio indicates that she has a mild speech impediment. I have not yet seen the series on British homes, nor the one on the Tsar. I started the one on cooking, but gave up. Here is the opening of the series on 'biggest fibs of British history'.
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Post by Moose on Sept 12, 2017 21:18:54 GMT
Heh she has the same speech impediment as me - can't say the letter R properly - but hers is a bit worse than mine. When Antti and I first met he actually mimicked the way I spoke and it took him a while to realise that I did have a problem with the letter R and that it wasn't meant to be pronounced that way
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Post by tangent on Sept 12, 2017 22:06:35 GMT
I didn't realize you had a problem with the letter 'R'. I'm quite surprised I haven't noticed it.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 13, 2017 0:12:18 GMT
The history of homes is excellent. On par with the Biggest History Fibs.
I'm surprised she didn't mention 'bed-boxes', which were widespread in the UK during the Georgian and Regency periods.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 13, 2017 0:15:40 GMT
I didn't realize you had a problem with the letter 'R'. I'm quite surprised I haven't noticed it. If Worsley's is worse, then Jo's must be beyond notice. Maybe it only shows upon when Jo is drunk or nackered?
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Post by Miisa on Sept 14, 2017 10:48:05 GMT
When I really listen for it I can hear it when Lucy Worsley talks ("room" sounds more like "woom" or "voom"), but without anyone saying anything I would have just thought it was just a rather posh way of speaking.
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Post by JoeP on Sept 14, 2017 11:37:31 GMT
Her real name is Lucy Rorsley.
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Post by Moose on Sept 14, 2017 21:16:48 GMT
Mine is quite slight and mainly manifests when I have to deal with multiple R words - I used to live on a street called 'Reservoir Road' and I tied myself in knots whenever I had to say THAT over the phone. I actually did not notice it myself till I was in my teens - lots of people had said things like 'oh, weally?' to me but I had not registered why
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 15, 2017 4:14:58 GMT
I have three cousins who have the same...and it is pronounced. Of course, this was not known when they were christened, one 'Robin' and one 'Bruce'. Sometimes, the universe is just cruel.
I did not notice any such impediment upon my visit. What I did notice is your tendency to cover your mouth during conversations. I'm not sure where you picked up that mannerism, but it is very common 'modesty trait' among women in Japan, particularly during laughter. I thought your father had a hearing problem (as do I) and covering one's mouth during conversation interferes with lip reading (a skill those losing their hearing pick up without realizing it), so it surprised me a bit.
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Post by Moose on Sept 15, 2017 21:34:58 GMT
Ah, you should have mentioned it .. it's a totally unconscious thing As a teenager I had very bad acne and I learned to cover my face whenever I was talking to people in the - probably inaccurate - hope that they might not notice as much. These days, although the acne is gone, apparently it's just ingrained.
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Post by Moose on Sept 15, 2017 21:35:25 GMT
My dad didn't have a hearing problem btw .. he was blind.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 16, 2017 4:11:33 GMT
My dad didn't have a hearing problem btw .. he was blind. Ah...My misconception.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Sept 16, 2017 7:08:42 GMT
Are we talking about that curly, red headed lady? I can't recal now if it were her or someone else that did one on toilets and bathrooms - that was great. Otherwise, I haven't watched much of her stuff as history is not my thing so much. Except for toilets and stuff like that, I like to know practicals of how people did things once upon a time.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 16, 2017 14:08:56 GMT
Are we talking about that curly, red headed lady? I can't recal now if it were her or someone else that did one on toilets and bathrooms - that was great. Otherwise, I haven't watched much of her stuff as history is not my thing so much. Except for toilets and stuff like that, I like to know practicals of how people did things once upon a time. Nope. She has straight blond hair which looks like it has recently grown out from a bob. Although her eyebrows and her roots are 'dark', she's still not a curly-haired redhead. I am aware of another woman commentator doing historical documents on BBC, a Bettany Hughes, who has 'wavy' hair, but I'd say it is 'brunette':
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Post by Alvamiga on Sept 16, 2017 15:42:48 GMT
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 16, 2017 17:20:59 GMT
Oh, about eleven, sir.
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Post by juju on Sept 17, 2017 9:03:14 GMT
Lucy Worsley also has problems with 'th', which she pronounces 'v'.
I can't work out if I find her annoying. I really like her subject matter but occasionally she grates.
Having said that, I think there's been a real shift in terms of history in TV - it used to be very much about the overarching story of kingdoms, battles etc (and always a male presenter) but now it's more likely to be about the details of how we lived, which is much more interesting, IMO.
And at last female historians are just as likely to present (although as long as they're young and attractive it would seem, sigh... )
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Post by raspberrybullets on Sept 17, 2017 11:34:58 GMT
Took a little digging and thinking of what I'd seen her on, but I found the one I was thinking of. Dr Kate Williams
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Post by raspberrybullets on Sept 17, 2017 11:37:40 GMT
Althought, the bathroom episode I'm thinking of was indeed Lucy Worsley.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 18, 2017 2:01:26 GMT
Lucy Worsley also has problems with 'th', which she pronounces 'v'. I can't work out if I find her annoying. I really like her subject matter but occasionally she grates. Having said that, I think there's been a real shift in terms of history in TV - it used to be very much about the overarching story of kingdoms, battles etc (and always a male presenter) but now it's more likely to be about the details of how we lived, which is much more interesting, IMO. And at last female historians are just as likely to present (although as long as they're young and attractive it would seem, sigh... ) Really? 'Young and attractive'? I wouldn't rate Lucy as 'conventionally attractive'. She has narrow eyes, a high forehead, thin lips, particularly her upper lip, on a largish mouth feature, and a slightly husky voice with a speech impediment. She is not particularly well-endowed, nor does she flaunt a rather ordinary looking body. I'd call her 'impish' and say that her looks rather fit her persona on screen; puckish. I'd call her looks 'idiosyncratically attractive' and 'out of the ordinary'. Taking the entire package in to consideration, I think she's hot; I'm smitten. ETA: Some of the outfits the producers saw fit to put her in, or allow her to wear, during some of the videos were just so....1967. I didn't think they actually made that stuff any more. To my mind, that, more than anything, jarred my visual sensibilities. Bettany, on the other hand, is voluptuous in the classical sense, and a more 'classical' beauty. She plays it down by wearing Goth costuming (all black) on screen a lot. Yeah, they are both young (as is Raz' candidate), but I suspect that is a relative perspective thing. Anybody under 50 looks 'young' to me.
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Post by juju on Sept 19, 2017 16:29:26 GMT
Spot the middle aged (or older) women on TV. Hen's teeth.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 19, 2017 17:29:15 GMT
Spot the middle aged (or older) women on TV. Hen's teeth. True. As are overweight of any gender. Or people who have crooked teeth. Television is a terrible measure of how real people look. It is rather like the world Siddhartha saw in the bosom of his family. Artificially idyllic.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 19, 2017 18:11:03 GMT
Spot the middle aged (or older) women on TV. Hen's teeth. Lucy is 44. How does that rate?
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 19, 2017 18:25:28 GMT
Tina Fey is 47.
Elizabeth Warren is 68.
Rachel Maddow is 44.
Samantha Bee is 47.
How am I doing?
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Post by juju on Sept 19, 2017 20:08:12 GMT
I've never heard of most of those, and I don't consider 40s to be particularly old or even middle aged these days! Things are getting much better, but traditionally the ratio of older women to older men in the media is really skewed. There's no comparison. There's a whole history of prejudice against older women in art, film, the media (I wrote my master's thesis on this subject... )
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