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Post by Moose on Oct 21, 2018 20:03:31 GMT
It was awesome I was scared they might balls it up but they got it absolutely right
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Post by JoeP on Oct 21, 2018 22:26:55 GMT
Good stuff indeed
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Post by tangent on Oct 21, 2018 22:51:55 GMT
Very good stuff and, incidentally, much easier to follow than the first two episodes.
Not altogether a popular episode for some people in Alabama perhaps.
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Post by Moose on Oct 22, 2018 0:16:57 GMT
Yeah the first two were a bit hit and miss. I am a true convert now though
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Post by tangent on Oct 22, 2018 0:22:58 GMT
When Dr Who pulled out her sonic screwdriver from her coat, it looked as though she was drawing a gun and I thought to myself, "don't do that in the States if you want to stay alive."
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 22, 2018 1:14:04 GMT
When Dr Who pulled out her sonic screwdriver from her coat, it looked as though she was drawing a gun and I thought to myself, "don't do that in the States if you want to stay alive." It is perfectly acceptable for a white woman to draw her concealed weapon.
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Post by Mari on Oct 22, 2018 7:33:00 GMT
I liked the history lesson It would go well with my classes. If I were still teaching.
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Post by Kye on Oct 22, 2018 15:22:48 GMT
Uggh. I have to say I didn't like it at all. Did no one else find cringe-worthy the premise that a gang of Brits saved the American civil rights movement? Is there nothing available in UK history that would serve the message of racial equality?
I'm not even American and I found this episode offensive...
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 22, 2018 15:31:46 GMT
Ruh-roh.
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Post by Mari on Oct 22, 2018 16:19:06 GMT
Uggh. I have to say I didn't like it at all. Did no one else find cringe-worthy the premise that a gang of Brits saved the American civil rights movement? Is there nothing available in UK history that would serve the message of racial equality? I'm not even American and I found this episode offensive... No, didn't bother me. I thought it was a good way to show history. It was far from offensive enough compared to reality back then. And in reverse there are many many MANY American films in which they save the world (megalomania anyone?), or portray Dutchland in a very offensive manner. This was way more subtle. Except for perhaps the accents... On a tangent, there is one film where they correctly portrayed Dutch and Dutch traditions. Interestingly enough, that's in Miracle on 34th Street, the 1930s version.
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Post by Kye on Oct 22, 2018 16:20:53 GMT
Oh, I agree about other countries, notably the US, doing the same thing. I find that offensive too.
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Post by JoeP on Oct 22, 2018 16:54:26 GMT
Oh, I agree about other countries, notably the US, doing the same thing. I find that offensive too. Kye is an equal-opportunities offence taker.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 22, 2018 17:21:52 GMT
Do we have any USers on this list who are watching the new DW?
What do they think?
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Post by tangent on Oct 22, 2018 17:43:18 GMT
Did you not watch it, WG?
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Post by juju on Oct 22, 2018 17:53:00 GMT
I think if it had been an all white British cast saving the day then yes, it would have been offensive. But to me it was about educating people, particularly through the young black boy Ryan, about what life was like in that time and place for people of colour. And of course about the heroism of Rosa Parks.
My favourite Doctor Who episodes have been those where they get involved with real historical characters. I really liked the episode with Van Gogh, and the ones about WW1. I cried at all those, and cried at the end of the Rosa Parks one, too.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 22, 2018 17:54:47 GMT
Did you not watch it, WG? Nope. I'm not a fan. I don't watch it. I don't even know as I have access to the recent releases.
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Post by tangent on Oct 22, 2018 18:09:26 GMT
Uggh. I have to say I didn't like it at all. Did no one else find cringe-worthy the premise that a gang of Brits saved the American civil rights movement? No, because it was science fiction and the programme writers were not pretending to have saved the civil rights movement in reality.
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Post by Kye on Oct 22, 2018 19:03:48 GMT
Ummm... tangent, I actually know it wasn't meant to be historical. Did you think I was confused?
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Post by JoeP on Oct 22, 2018 20:55:23 GMT
Also, the Doctor isn't a Brit.
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Post by Alvamiga on Oct 22, 2018 21:28:46 GMT
The Doctor seems to always be a Brit, just keeps moving about!
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Post by Moose on Oct 22, 2018 22:30:03 GMT
No I don't find it offensive In fact, it had no even occurred to me to look at it like that. I think it was educational and got the message across without being patronising. Apparently it was also the only episode to date - which is rather shameful - written by a black person.
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Post by Kye on Oct 22, 2018 22:37:24 GMT
I'm not really a fan of the historical ones anyway... That might have coloured my reaction somewhat.
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Post by Moose on Oct 22, 2018 23:05:50 GMT
Heh they tend to be my favourites
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Post by tangent on Oct 23, 2018 3:26:22 GMT
Ummm... tangent, I actually know it wasn't meant to be historical. Did you think I was confused? No, of course not. There's a big difference between a pseudo-historical drama and a fantasy event in an alternative reality. In the former, we are shown something that could have happened (with some viewers even thinking it did happen). In the latter, the viewer is under no illusion that it is just fantasy. We are under no illusion, for example, that the Terminator will be saving the world in the future. In a pseudo-historical drama, the depiction of a superior force saving the day is arrogant but in a science fiction fantasy, it's just a bit of fun. That's why I emphasised that Dr Who is science fiction and not an alternative historical drama.
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Post by Kye on Oct 23, 2018 11:58:52 GMT
Well, I wasn't talking so much about the episode itself, but about the writers and producers that chose what the show would be about and how it would be portrayed. A lot of negative things in this world have been excused as being "just a bit of fun"...
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Post by Mari on Nov 12, 2018 13:23:13 GMT
I like the new doctor and her companions so far, but am not a big fan of the episodes themselves. So far there's not one episode I feel I have to watch again. Or even really want to. It's a lot of senseless introduction of new species with no real backstory and cheap action. Where is all the thought inducing content? The morals issues? The fun? So far every antagonist either turned out not to be a real danger or an inexplicable one.
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Post by Moose on Nov 18, 2018 1:00:56 GMT
I dunno how many you've watched but there've been a lot of moral issues Have you seen the Rosa Parks one yet?
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Post by Mari on Nov 18, 2018 19:45:58 GMT
I've seen them all and while they're relevant to current day situations and sketch an accurate image of current day society and are enjoyable, they're just not as rewatchable and fun as the earlier ones. And every episode too many people die. True, there are morals present, but they're rather black and white, literally in the Rosa parks episode, and not always well-explained. The Indian one for example there's a new alien species, there is some vague explanation as to why they do what they do, but not why they're there at that death and not at a different lonely death. Then there's the brother who appears to have changed during the absence of prem but we don't know how or why. He's changed enough to kill his own brother. That's quite a thing to do without explanation or precursing fights of certain magnitudes. Fanaticism, racism and terrorism, which we've seen several examples of this season, just don't come into being out of nowhere.
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Post by madmadeline on Nov 20, 2018 21:36:10 GMT
My father is very much Not A Fan of the new Doctor episodes. I'm still very firmly in love! <3
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Post by JoeP on Nov 21, 2018 8:36:54 GMT
Hi Mads!
So, the last episode - Amazon In Space! - I enjoyed it, well-written and a good plot.
But having the outcome be more jobs for organics, sorry, humans seems not very futuristic. Automation should allow people not to need work at all! It's very much a story of the 2010s ... which isn't a bad thing.
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