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Mar 15, 2013 21:47:10 GMT
Post by Alvamiga on Mar 15, 2013 21:47:10 GMT
I am often amazed at how many people I know who have been typing for 15-20 years still type only using a few fingers and constantly have to look at the keyboard to work out where the keys are...
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Mar 15, 2013 22:14:24 GMT
Post by tangent on Mar 15, 2013 22:14:24 GMT
That's me.
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Mar 15, 2013 22:21:09 GMT
Post by Kye on Mar 15, 2013 22:21:09 GMT
Me too.
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Mar 16, 2013 9:19:41 GMT
Post by bill on Mar 16, 2013 9:19:41 GMT
When I use my ipad I only use one finger. The other one is holding the pad. ;D
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Mar 16, 2013 9:59:52 GMT
Post by Mari on Mar 16, 2013 9:59:52 GMT
On my tablet I type with both hands too, only then I use only 6 fingers since it's too small for 10.
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Mar 16, 2013 12:43:43 GMT
Post by ceptimus on Mar 16, 2013 12:43:43 GMT
I used the 'hunt and peck' typing method for over twenty years despite the fact that I was using a computer for several hours nearly every day. I used to use my index fingers, sometimes my middle fingers, plus my thumbs.
A few years ago I decided this was ridiculous, so I bought a cheap old 'Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing' program and devoted half an hour or so each day to touch typing practice. After just a few weeks I was touch typing all the letters, numbers and common symbols and I've done this ever since.
I still look down at the keyboard for some rare punctuation symbols and things like the F-keys but these vary in placement so much from one computer to another that there's not much point learning to touch-type them unless you spend most of your time on the same computer.
One change is that now I type 'properly', I never use my left thumb - I used to use that sometimes on the space bar with my old self taught method. I don't know why the official touch typing method I learned doesn't make use of the left thumb - seems like a waste of resources to me!
When I'm playing my saxophone, I have to use my left thumb but not the right one - so I guess this evens out the wear!
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Mar 16, 2013 12:50:52 GMT
Post by Miisa on Mar 16, 2013 12:50:52 GMT
One big regret I have is that I never learned touch-typing, so unless I am looking at the keyboard, most letters will come out a little off and it takes forever as I have to think about where everything is. I should, like ceptimus, take a course and keep up with the practice I have sworn to do before, especially now that I type so much in my work.
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Mar 16, 2013 17:52:32 GMT
Post by Alvamiga on Mar 16, 2013 17:52:32 GMT
They tried to teach us typing (on actual mechanical typewriters) at school, but as they only spent a couple of hours at it, it wasn't going to help that much. About 10 years ago, I changed from QWERTY to the Dvorak layout, which has helped massively with the RSI problems I was having. I find myself glancing down occasionally as it registers which layout I am currently using and keeps my hands in the correct place as they otherwise tend to drift. I can type without looking (if I have to) and I can now do it much more quickly and easily with the Dvorak keyboard than with QWERTY.
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Mar 16, 2013 17:59:43 GMT
Post by Moose on Mar 16, 2013 17:59:43 GMT
I mainly look at the screen. I taught myself to touch type.
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Mar 16, 2013 18:18:44 GMT
Post by ceptimus on Mar 16, 2013 18:18:44 GMT
I considered the Dvorak layout. But for my job I have to use lots of computers - often ones at customers' premises and it's usually not possible or practical to install/swap to Dvorak then.
What should be considered, in my opinion, for any new layout are the keys that are used commonly on a computer but are not considered to be part of 'typing': the cursor movement keys, delete key, backspace key and so on. These functions ought to be mapped to standard letter keys so that once you've learned to touch type, then you can also move the cursor around, delete and so on without having to learn the different auxiliary key placements on laptops, desktops, etc.
All that is needed is a convention: for example if the left hand shift key and space bar were held down using the left hand pinky and thumb, then that could act as a 'function shift' allowing all the right hand keys to be used for functions. Maybe I for cursor up, comma for cursor down, J for cursor left, L for cursor right, U for backspace, O for delete and so on...
A cloud dream I know, but it would be so easy to implement and would have virtually zero impact on people who wish to continue to use their keyboards in the 'conventional' way.
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Mar 16, 2013 18:29:57 GMT
Post by ceptimus on Mar 16, 2013 18:29:57 GMT
I thought about getting one of these - so I could show off to my friends. (Click on the 'ultimate' link if you visit the linked page.) But then I remembered all the times when I have to enter awkward passwords like YR$%aeFgV. Even if these passwords are just letters and numbers, my brain is not in touch-typing mode when entering them (I tend to touch-type whole words without concentrating on the individual letters). I decided that entering tricky sequences of characters on a blank keyboard would be too hard for me, and would outweigh the fun of showing off and confusing anyone else trying to use my main computer... so I never bought one.
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Mar 16, 2013 18:56:45 GMT
Post by Moose on Mar 16, 2013 18:56:45 GMT
I temped in an office once where the keyboard given to me looked exactly like that, because most of the letters and numbers had worn off I just about managed but it was a pain
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Mar 16, 2013 20:00:38 GMT
Post by Alvamiga on Mar 16, 2013 20:00:38 GMT
I can still type QWERTY for use on other keyboards. Now I've learnt both I can switch back and forth without a thought. I even deal with their annoying right-handed mice! How about the Optimus Popularis keyboard? It can change the image on the keys and even show application-specific stuff. Humongously expensive, however!
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Mar 16, 2013 22:18:04 GMT
Post by tangent on Mar 16, 2013 22:18:04 GMT
I'm currently holding my iPad with one hand and typing with one finger.
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Mar 17, 2013 16:02:46 GMT
Post by bill on Mar 17, 2013 16:02:46 GMT
I'm currently holding my iPad with one hand and typing with one finger. Not just me then.
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Mar 17, 2013 18:05:40 GMT
Post by Moose on Mar 17, 2013 18:05:40 GMT
I put Ol's tablet thingy on something flat and try to type normally but it's sloooooow
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Mar 18, 2013 9:37:23 GMT
Post by Miisa on Mar 18, 2013 9:37:23 GMT
I have been looking into some online typing courses, but so far none have interested me much, as they all have either American or UK keyboard layouts. When even one of the basic set of ten keys is off and it won't let me get to that symbol another way the whole exercise becomes impossible.
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Mar 18, 2013 19:15:09 GMT
Post by raspberrybullets on Mar 18, 2013 19:15:09 GMT
I also taught myself to touch type. I remember we had a handly little programme on our old computer which put a keyboard on the screen so you could look at the screen and figure out where the letters should be and practice typing sentences. Didn't take very long by that method. I put that I mostly look at the screen because I also look around sometimes at other stuff, but some things like numbers and symbols I usually still need to check the keyboard or check the screen to make sure I didn't make a mistake.
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Mar 18, 2013 20:03:12 GMT
Post by Alvamiga on Mar 18, 2013 20:03:12 GMT
I am sort of glad I didn't learn to properly touch-type as the number of layouts I have to use would drive me nuts. These days I usually make one typo and correct myself and change layout in one. It's almost like just switching to talking in another language (I'm not so good at that though). The one that used to annoy me most was an AZERTY keyboard. It's just too similar to QWERTY to properly register it.
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Mar 18, 2013 20:04:34 GMT
Post by tangent on Mar 18, 2013 20:04:34 GMT
I used to do a lot of programming when I was working and one typo could cost me a day's work. So I always used to look at the keyboard. In addition, spelling mistakes in my emails to customers would have looked very bad because we were supposed to be masters of the English language.
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Mar 19, 2013 3:17:17 GMT
Post by Shake on Mar 19, 2013 3:17:17 GMT
I understand the the Dvorak is supposed to be easier than the QWERTY, but I'm not sure if I could pick it up now, being so used to the latter.
Oh, and I'm almost always looking at the screen when I type. I noticed on the all-black keyboard above that they still had the tabs for where your index fingers would go (on the 'F' and 'J'), which would help with knowing where everything else is.
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Mar 19, 2013 6:52:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 6:52:41 GMT
I have never been a good typer. I can type fast and in 8th grade, I was the only one who could since my classmates had just never done it, but I mostly do it with two fingers, often looking at the keyboard.
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Mar 19, 2013 8:23:26 GMT
Post by Alvamiga on Mar 19, 2013 8:23:26 GMT
I started using DVORAK after using QWERTY for over 20 years. Was a jar to start with, obviously, but now I don't think about it at all. Now I use it most of the day. I've never become a particularly fast typist, but my work is usually more about accuracy than speed.
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Mar 19, 2013 9:02:12 GMT
Post by tangent on Mar 19, 2013 9:02:12 GMT
I have never been a good typer. I can type fast and in 8th grade, I was the only one who could since my classmates had just never done it, but I mostly do it with two fingers, often looking at the keyboard. This is why I'd like a 'like' button.
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Mar 19, 2013 13:13:02 GMT
Post by Miisa on Mar 19, 2013 13:13:02 GMT
I managed to download an old but functional program with the Finnish layout. I am having a hard time sticking with the rule of only using one thumb for the space, I seem to want to alternate. Also surprised at how much harder it is to write nonsense than real words.
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Mar 19, 2013 15:31:54 GMT
Post by tangent on Mar 19, 2013 15:31:54 GMT
Also surprised at how much harder it is to write nonsense than real words. I don't have that problem
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Mar 19, 2013 16:14:14 GMT
Post by Miisa on Mar 19, 2013 16:14:14 GMT
Do you write a lot of nonsense, then?
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Mar 19, 2013 17:05:19 GMT
Post by charliebrown on Mar 19, 2013 17:05:19 GMT
I guess my typing is ok. It's required by my job since I work with words basically as a translator. I also learn to type Chinese characters which is more difficult than English.
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Mar 19, 2013 17:11:31 GMT
Post by tangent on Mar 19, 2013 17:11:31 GMT
Do you write a lot of nonsense, then? Oh, yes, all the time On the rare occasions when I've tried to touch type, I could have been one of those monkeys in hell.
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Mar 20, 2013 8:53:50 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2013 8:53:50 GMT
*grins* I just make a lot of typing mistakes when I type too fast or when I'm too tired.
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