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Post by spaceflower on Sept 2, 2019 23:59:30 GMT
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Post by ceptimus on Sept 3, 2019 0:07:31 GMT
Can't just keep extending for ever. The economy is suffering due to the uncertainty and all other politics in the UK is stalled. The Brexit process should be bought to a conclusion one way or the other - the sooner the better.
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Post by spaceflower on Sept 3, 2019 0:08:49 GMT
Better a deal than no-deal. At least for EU and I imagine for UK too.
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Post by ceptimus on Sept 3, 2019 0:12:49 GMT
Won't we have exactly the same problems after another three months - or however long the next extension lasts for? Meanwhile the pound will continue to decline, and more people will lose their jobs.
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Post by tangent on Sept 3, 2019 0:26:20 GMT
I suspect several extensions will have much less effect than crashing out with no deal. The idea that we must get it over with regardless of the outcome is false reasoning.
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Post by juju on Sept 3, 2019 8:20:16 GMT
I (and many other sane Britons) would rather no Brexit at all, but a deal is better than nothing. Having said that, I fear that the British public *have* lost patience and want to see it over with. A three month extension may send more people towards extreme parties. Boris wants to mop up the UKIP / Brexit party votes so he'd be quite prepared to sell us down the river for his own career
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Post by JoeP on Sept 3, 2019 16:52:48 GMT
Even a best-possible deal won't satisfy the extreme Brexiters - the arguments and agitation will continue (Faraj will probably form a new "Real! Brexit Party) - so it's not that much better than an extension.
None of this is for the good of Britain.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 3, 2019 17:11:20 GMT
I would expect that Ireland might expect an increase in economic activity because of Brexit.
I would think that smuggling would return as a major high-stakes economic activity across the porous border between Eire and Ulster. Wheeeeee!
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Post by tangent on Sept 3, 2019 21:40:49 GMT
I would expect that Ireland might expect an increase in economic activity because of Brexit. The Irish Times thinks not. ETA: 100,000 would be a 2% rise in unemployment.
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Post by ceptimus on Sept 3, 2019 23:27:29 GMT
At the moment, it looks like whoever is PM at the end of October will be forced to accept whatever extension the EU offer. So that might be nothing (unlikely) or three months or maybe up to a year?
I suppose what MPs use the extra time for will depend on the outcome of the next general election, which surely must happen before the end of the year? If the next government wants to hold another referendum then a three-month extension probably won't be long enough.
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Post by Moose on Sept 5, 2019 21:28:41 GMT
Boris keeps stating that he won't accept any extension. But since when has Boris told the truth?
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Post by juju on Sept 6, 2019 13:11:47 GMT
This comment won the internet yesterday: 'This is the best season of 'Brexit' so far - I can't stop watching! 😁
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 6, 2019 17:38:27 GMT
BREXIT IS COMING.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Sept 7, 2019 0:01:12 GMT
The amount of money this entire thing must be costing, all just wasted when it could be used for so many more important things.
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Post by tangent on Sept 7, 2019 7:56:47 GMT
Parliament has just passed a law forcing the prime minister to ask for an extension to Brexit but the opposition parties don't even trust him to do that. (The law specifies the actual wording of the letter he has to write.) A group of MPs are therefore preparing to go to court to force him to carry it out. And even then, they probably won't trust him to obey the court order.
It would appear Dominic Cummings has been the architect behind Boris Johnson's strategy. (He is the prime minister's special advisor.) And there have been complaints in parliament that it is he who is running the country. He was also the architect behind the Leave campaign (and presumably the lies) so it wouldn't surprise me if he tells Boris Johnson to request something different from what parliament has decreed.
We need the Queen to sack Boris Johnson and present the request herself.
So it's anyone's guess what will happen next.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 7, 2019 12:54:11 GMT
We need the Queen to sack Boris Johnson and present the request herself. Ooooo....That sounds fun.
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Post by tangent on Sept 7, 2019 15:43:34 GMT
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Post by ceptimus on Sept 7, 2019 23:14:30 GMT
Corbyn should be the one going to Brussels to request any extension: it's his party that was mostly responsible for voting through the law that requires it, and presumably he is in favour of the scheme so there would be no danger of him breaking the law.
The people worrying about what Boris will do, could rest easy if Corbyn were appointed to make the request.
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Post by tangent on Sept 8, 2019 7:21:21 GMT
Corbyn should be the one going to Brussels to request any extension: it's his party that was mostly responsible for voting through the law that requires it, and presumably he is in favour of the scheme so there would be no danger of him breaking the law. I'm sure he would be delighted to do so but he would first have to become prime minister and that's a tricky one to engineer. Boris Johnson wants an early general election on Tuesday 15 October because he thinks he will win it and it would allow him to cancel the Brexit extension. I agree, polls suggest he would win a general election because the general public is fed up with Brexit delays and want it all over. They are captivated by Johnson's dynamism, they are brainwashed by the Tory tabloids, and most of them do not understand the catastrophic consequences of No Deal. But in order to call an early general election, Johnson needs a 2/3 majority in the Commons. Last Wednesday, he called for a vote but MPs refused to give him his 2/3 majority. On Monday, he will request another vote and again opposition MPs say they will vote against the motion or abstain. He has two other choices: (a) to call for a vote of no confidence in his own government or (b) to resign as prime minister. Both are unprecedented and very risky. If a vote of no confidence were carried, the Queen would ask Jeremy Corbyn to form a government. But it's not certain he would command sufficient support. If he could not, an early general election would be called, which Johnson would probably win. If Johnson were to resign as prime minister, the same thing would happen. The Queen would ask Jeremy Corbyn to form a government and we would again be looking at a possible early election. If Johnson were to win an election on 15 October, he would immediately repeal the law demanding an extension to Brexit and we would almost certainly be faced with No Deal. Two things have happened recently to give Jeremy Corbyn the edge. Last Tuesday, Dr Phillip Lee switched sides and joined the Liberal Democrats and yesterday, Conservative cabinet minister Amber Rudd resigned from the Conservative party and is now an independent MP. That has reduced Johnson's majority to -4. The current make up of the House of Commons, according to Wikipedia, is as follows: Conservative Party | 288 | Democratic Unionist Party | 10 | Labour Party | 247 | Scottish National Party | 35 | Liberal Democrats | 17 | Independent Group for Change | 5 | Plaid Cymru | 4 | Independents | 3 | Green Party | 1 | Independent (recently expelled from Conservatives) | 21 | Other independents recently expelled or resigned | 11 | Sinn Féin | 7 | Speaker (does not vote) | 1 |
Conservatives plus DUP plus 21 MPs recently thrown out of Conservatives* = 319 Labour plus other opposition parties minus 21 MPs recently thrown out of Conservatives* = 323 The current government does not have a majority and cannot therefore rely on passing any controversial bills. And also, the large number of independent MPs probably means that Jeremy Corbyn would not have a majority if he were to form a government even with the help of the Liberal Democrats, SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Green Party. Note that Sinn Féin does not sit in the House of Commons and does not vote. *The 21 MPs thrown out of the Conservatives for voting against the bill to stop No Deal may be reinstated and can in any case be expected to vote with the Conservatives.
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Post by Elis on Sept 9, 2019 9:52:13 GMT
How was it legal to throw out the 21 MPs anyway?
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 9, 2019 12:47:28 GMT
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Post by tangent on Sept 9, 2019 14:29:37 GMT
Exactly.
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Post by JoeP on Sept 9, 2019 15:55:44 GMT
I don't think they care much about what's legal any more. They certainly aren't worried about it.
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Post by spaceflower on Oct 17, 2019 23:45:09 GMT
There has been worrying about medicines and EMA and this thing called "marketing authorisation holder (MAH).
Medicines made in UK will not be available in UK (and vice versa).
But will there be a deal after all now?
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Post by JoeP on Oct 18, 2019 7:35:20 GMT
A deal seems to have been agreed between Boris Johnson and Jean-Claude Juncker.
But because it includes the only possible solution, keeping Northern Ireland in the EU customs area to avoid a hard border, it won't be supported by the DUP and may not get the approval of the UK parliament.
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