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Post by kingedmund on Feb 21, 2020 14:41:18 GMT
Motherhood and apple pie. Bad people (and for this discussion everyone can decide their own definition of bad) also support good things. Motherhood and apple pie. Lol. I didn’t expect that. Good morning laugh! 😝 WG sweetie. I’d rather not read what you told me to read as it’s probably hateful. But thank you for sharing.
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Post by whollygoats on Feb 21, 2020 17:52:53 GMT
WG sweetie. I’d rather not read what you told me to read as it’s probably hateful. But thank you for sharing. LOL... And this is the very definition of 'willful ignorance'. Congratulations. I appreciate your proving my point about you. As a bit of helpful advice....You should stay the hell out of political threads, as you have repeatedly proven your first statement that you know nothing. Every time you post in these threads, you reinforce my poor opinion of your 'intelligence'. And, a question about your earlier claims...Have you stood for the bar in any state? Bless your heart.
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Post by kingedmund on Feb 21, 2020 19:49:29 GMT
Again. You have no earthly idea of who I am. You make these broad hateful accusations because I don’t give into what you want me to say or believe. So why would I care what you think! More times than not I skip over your post but today I feel like messing with it. Tomorrow who knows. You have given me no reason to respect you much less listen to you.
Moving on.
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Post by kingedmund on Feb 21, 2020 19:56:50 GMT
What I’d like to know from someone who lives in those countries of the Brexit is? I had someone in class from I believe Ireland or maybe it was Scottish type and why they wanted Brexit. Not being to up on this I began to wonder why? Any ideas on what they think or believe on average?
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Post by whollygoats on Feb 26, 2020 16:03:33 GMT
Again. You have no earthly idea of who I am. You make these broad hateful accusations because I don’t give into what you want me to say or believe. So why would I care what you think! More times than not I skip over your post but today I feel like messing with it. Tomorrow who knows. You have given me no reason to respect you much less listen to you. Moving on. Yeah, riiiiiight.... I really don't care if a roaring fuckwit with RAS respects me or not. I obviously don't respect you, your opinions, nor your ability to parse political topics. Despite your claims to the contrary, I suspect you don't have the chops to think your way out of a wet paper bag. The thing is, I have every reason to continue to listen to your inane ramblings on politics, just because it is so amusing to point out your glaring idiocy. So, sure...Stop listening. That's what you've been doing all along. That's your problem. That is the very definition of IGNORANCE. **facepalm**
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Post by whollygoats on Feb 26, 2020 16:59:34 GMT
What I’d like to know from someone who lives in those countries of the Brexit is? I had someone in class from I believe Ireland or maybe it was Scottish type and why they wanted Brexit. Not being to up on this I began to wonder why? Any ideas on what they think or believe on average? **Knocks on screen** WAKE UP!! WAKE UP, EDDIE! A quick hint for starters: Ignore the responses in this very thread by bob and I, and you already have a fair idea of how those Europeans, on this bulletin board, actually affected by Brexit, feel about it. The only problem I can see for you is that most of those here tend to lean to the electoral minority and opposed Brexit. For the reasons they stated. So, I'd guess the membership here is not representative of the political majority in the UK, or...maybe it is. **shrugs** So....There you go. A start is right under your nose. Right here in this thread. Who'd a thunk it? I'd bet that those folks might even have enough patience to get out their crayons and provide the time and energy explaining it to you so you can catch up on an issue that has been burning in Europe now for years, as well as in several other threads here at EF.
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Post by bobbridges on Mar 1, 2020 21:29:26 GMT
I disagree. Jo has stated that 'Regaining our sovereignty' has almost exclusively been the refrain of xenophobes. That is not false. Never said it was. Again, you're missing the meaning of "fallacy"; as I demonstrated above, fallacies can be constructed out of completely true premisses.And, it is to the point of why it is that it should not be supported....If shitheads push the idea, then the idea requires a great deal more skepticism. Ah, that's more like it. I disagree, but at least you're making more sense. Let me rope Jo in, here:Do you really not think that the fact that an idea is mostly supported by xenophobes and racists makes it a bad idea? In a word, yes. Your imagined xenophobes, racists and shitheads no doubt believe that 2+2=4, and that they're speaking English, and that breathing oxygen is necessary for them to stay alive. For that matter, so do you; but I don't suddenly doubt 2+2=4 because of that. Better I should look at the arguments for and against, and see whether they make sense.
Better you should, too. If your only arguments are "you believe that because you're a shithead", or "if you believe that you must be a xenophobe", you're not thinking yet. Although in your case, whollygoats, I'm pretty sure you can if you're willing to develop the habit.Those are people I would not associate with in determining the appropriate actions of my government.... I wasn't asking you to associate with them. I only wanted to know whether anyone had any actual reasons for thinking Brexit is a bad idea. Some other people did respond (thanks, all).Is logical argumentation always appropriate and demanded for rhetorical exchanges? Good question, philosophically speaking (although you probably didn't mean it philosophically in this case). I normally go for that kind of exchange—I rank thinking very highly—but I have to answer, reluctantly, No, it's not always the only or even the best mode of discourse. As a Christian I'm persuaded that some messages are best communicated "not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power".
Still, my habit is to go for logic.
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Post by bobbridges on Mar 1, 2020 21:41:39 GMT
I thought I'd add this:Those who touted this excuse and pushed for Brexit were those with paranoiac fears of foreigners. Those are people I would not associate with in determining the appropriate actions of my government in regards to its relationship with neighboring nations. Whollygoats, what you're saying here—it may not be strictly true, but it is what you're saying—is that you disagree with paranoia and xenophobia, and you perceive that those people support Brexit, and for that reason you've set yourself to oppose it. Thus you open yourself to manipulation; if I know you despise me, all I have to do is get you to believe that I support proposal X and I can be pretty sure you'll automatically decide it's bosh—not because you have any reason to think so, but only because you despise me. You make yourself vulnerable that way.
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 2, 2020 1:20:25 GMT
I thought I'd add this:Those who touted this excuse and pushed for Brexit were those with paranoiac fears of foreigners. Those are people I would not associate with in determining the appropriate actions of my government in regards to its relationship with neighboring nations. Whollygoats, what you're saying here—it may not be strictly true, but it is what you're saying—is that you disagree with paranoia and xenophobia, and you perceive that those people support Brexit, and for that reason you've set yourself to oppose it. Thus you open yourself to manipulation; if I know you despise me, all I have to do is get you to believe that I support proposal X and I can be pretty sure you'll automatically decide it's bosh—not because you have any reason to think so, but only because you despise me. You make yourself vulnerable that way. Heh...Why am I getting visions of Vizzini nattering on? Inconceiveable! Sorry, but I've spent the past few years building an immunity to 'iocane powder'.
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Post by spaceflower on Apr 4, 2020 21:20:50 GMT
People seem to forget that EU was originally a peace project. History tells me that England and France were often at war with each other. Then Germany vs England and France in the two world wars. After the 2nd world war, forerunner to EU was European Coal and Steel Community. "The ECSC was first proposed by French foreign minister Robert Schuman on 9 May 1950 as a way to prevent further war between France and Germany. He declared his aim was to "make war not only unthinkable but materially impossible"[3] which was to be achieved by regional integration, of which the ECSC was the first step." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_CommunityTrade instead of war. There have not been any wars between members of EU?
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