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Post by ceptimus on Mar 15, 2020 12:32:50 GMT
None - yet. No one knew about the disease until January - so even the parts of China that have been locked down since then have only experienced two months, so far.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 14:05:25 GMT
None - yet. No one knew about the disease until January - so even the parts of China that have been locked down since then have only experienced two months, so far. Exactly. Outside of Hubei province, China isn't in the lockdown you might imagine. People are moving relatively freely. Many cars are on the street, buses and trains are running, airplanes are in the sky, businesses are open, express delivery services are normal. Supermarkets didn't close at all. There was no panic buying. The delivery channels to the supermarkets of fresh food were kept open. The inconvenience period to your typical Chinese person has actually been quite short.
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Post by Mari on Mar 15, 2020 18:30:53 GMT
We're now in lockdown more or less. No day care, not allowed to go to work (not that I can work when our girl is home), no eating out, no sports clubs, nothing.
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 15, 2020 19:22:45 GMT
Yep. We're spiralling in to that. Crowds anywhere are discouraged.
I stay home most of the time, any way. My big foray is to go shopping, or to see a health care provider.
I despise crowds to begin with.
I'm hoping this augurs in my favor....I do have a few friends. And, they have friends.
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Post by tangent on Mar 15, 2020 19:59:22 GMT
Within a few weeks, the over 70s will be told to stay at home for as long as four months, having food and medicines delivered to them. I'm not looking forward to that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 2:50:57 GMT
Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the greater good.
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Post by Moose on Mar 16, 2020 4:57:25 GMT
So not really self isolating then
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Post by Elis on Mar 16, 2020 9:44:00 GMT
We are not really self-isolating either. We still go out for walks and as long as we don't hug or kiss people or sneeze and cough at them while we are outside, it should not be a problem. And especially considering that on Saturday things like toilet paper, tissues, flour and cornflakes were gone from supermarkets, we have to do some shopping today. Will try to stock up a bit, but since we don't have a car and limited space, we will keep having to go to the shops. I might also have to get a prescription from the paediatrician today aince Malcolm has a nappy rash.
We did order a sandbox and sand for him for the roof terrace in case there is a curfew soon and he isn't allowed to go to the playground anymore. He loves playing in the sand.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 11:58:14 GMT
I saw useful information from Ottawa Public Health about social distancing and self-isolation: Social distancing involves taking steps to limit the number of people you come into close contact with. This will help to limit the spread of COVID-19 in the community.
Please note: that these guidelines are not meant to say “you must stay in your home!”
You can still go outside to take a walk, go to the park, or walk your dog. If you need groceries, go to the store. We simply recommend that while outside you make sure to avoid crowds and maintain a distance of 1-2 metres (3-6 feet) from those around you. AND Self-isolation is when you have been instructed to separate yourself from others, with the purpose of preventing the spread of the virus, including those within your home. If you are ill, you should be separated from others in your household to the greatest extent possible. Link
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Post by Kye on Mar 16, 2020 12:15:28 GMT
Yep, that sounds like what we're being asked to do. Our Bishop suspended church services indefinitely and we're all scrambling to make sure our vulnerable seniors (who have been asked to stay home of they're over 70) are still getting what they need.
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 16, 2020 14:26:45 GMT
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Post by tangent on Mar 16, 2020 16:06:05 GMT
The UK Prime Minister is due to make a second public announcement at 4:30pm, with daily updates. There has been significant criticism of his Covid-19 policy and information about his reasoning.
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Post by Mari on Mar 16, 2020 17:55:48 GMT
No loopaper anywhere. People are insane. My husband still has to work though. He works in a diy store. Apparently lots of customers more per day since the lockdown started. We solved the no day care problem by both trying to work half days so when one of us has to work, the other can look after our girl.
To be completely honest it's a nice change of pace for me. The weather is lovely, so I can go out with our girl. Finally some time to spend with her and on doing household chores.
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Post by kingedmund on Mar 17, 2020 0:04:10 GMT
You would be surprised of the stupidity... or maybe not. Randy had told an employee at the hospital to quarantine herself since she just returned from China by way of Japan. They called her yesterday and she was out shopping and redecorating her home. She said since she quarantined from work why not shop the two weeks. She could not understand the point of quarantine!
Then I had a client that called me to work on his account. I told him I was not there on no one was opening the door. He said he had cash to pay and I to,d him I will not be accepting cash. Card payment only over the phone. He asked why. Really you ding dong is what I wanted to say.
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Post by spaceflower on Mar 17, 2020 1:01:16 GMT
Anyone over 60 (or 65) belongs to the risk group. No matter how well they feel, their lungs are more susceptible for covid-19 and pneumonia. This worries me too: www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infectionI use cortisone. But if not, I will get unbearable pain and get so stiff that I can hardly get out of bed without help. I try the isolation instead. Not going out and meeting other people, not going to the grocery or the pharmacy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 5:23:06 GMT
The UK only realised "in the last few days" that attempts to "mitigate" the impact of the coronavirus pandemic would not work, and that it needed to shift to a strategy to "suppress" the outbreak, according to a report by a team of experts who have been advising the government.
The report, published by the Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team on Monday night, found that the strategy previously being pursued by the government — dubbed "mitigation" and involving home isolation of suspect cases and their family members but not including restrictions on wider society — would "likely result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many times over".
The mitigation strategy "focuses on slowing but not necessarily stopping epidemic spread — reducing peak healthcare demand while protecting those most at risk of severe disease from infection", the report said, reflecting the UK strategy that was outlined last week by Boris Johnson and the chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance.
But the approach was found to be unworkable. "Our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over," perhaps by as much as eight times, the report said.
In this scenario, the Imperial College team predicted as many as 250,000 deaths in Britain.
"In the UK, this conclusion has only been reached in the last few days," the report explained, due to new data on likely intensive care unit demand based on the experience of Italy and Britain so far.
"We were expecting herd immunity to build. We now realise it’s not possible to cope with that," professor Azra Ghani, chair of infectious diseases epidemiology at Imperial, told journalists at a briefing on Monday night.
As a result, the report — which its authors said had "informed policymaking in the UK and other countries in the last weeks" — said: "We therefore conclude that epidemic suppression is the only viable strategy at the current time."
A suppression strategy, along the lines of the approach adopted by the Chinese authorities, "aims to reverse epidemic growth, reducing case numbers to low levels and maintaining that situation indefinitely".
It requires "a combination of social distancing of the entire population, home isolation of cases and household quarantine of their family members", and "may need to be supplemented by school and university closures".
An "intensive intervention package" will have to be "maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more)", the report said, painting an extraordinary picture of what life could be like in the UK for the next year and a half.
On Monday afternoon, the prime minister drastically tightened the measures imposed on the British public — signalling the UK's move to a suppression strategy.
Everyone in the UK should now stop "non-essential contact" with other people and avoid pubs, clubs, cinemas, and theatres to slow the spread of the coronavirus, Johnson announced.
Families have also been urged to stay at home together for 14 days if any member is showing symptoms of the virus — a new, continuous cough or a fever.
Johnson said that anyone in isolation should avoid leaving the house "even to buy food or essentials" and should exercise outside the house only at a safe distance from others.
A government spokesperson said: “This is a very fast-moving situation. In order to give the most robust scientific advice SAGE [the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies] draws upon and considers a range of evidence and views to reach its recommendations. Part of this evidence includes the latest modelling data from a number of experts. All SAGE recommendations are in line with the best current evidence. We will be publishing further evidence shortly.”Link: ArticleLink: Imperial College report
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Post by Moose on Mar 18, 2020 5:03:52 GMT
Avoid leaving the house even for essentials? Or, we are to starve?
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Post by JoeP on Mar 18, 2020 8:25:56 GMT
*blinks* Ah, it says "anyone in isolation". They should have food brought to them, obviously by family members which everyone has in the same neighbourhood given the tight-knit family structures that have in no way changed in the past 50 years nor been undermined by the last 10 years of govt policy. Not supermarket delivery services obviously, as those are completely booked out.
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Post by juju on Mar 18, 2020 8:32:45 GMT
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Post by Elis on Mar 18, 2020 11:58:47 GMT
We simply can't afford to have groceries delivered.
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Post by ceptimus on Mar 18, 2020 12:50:40 GMT
In lots of areas, neighbours are offering to get shopping for the elderly, or those who must self-isolate.
The government could maybe organize otherwise out-of-work people (bar and café staff, teachers, airport workers) to do this vital work (and pay them for doing it of course).
Just be sure you don't get scammed - don't trust strangers with lots of cash or your credit/debit cards.
If the government are going to step in and organize this, they could make the delivery of common cheap foodstuffs like bread, milk,... free - that would avoid the possibility of being scammed. The government seem happy to give billions to privately owned businesses that were raking in huge profits until the pandemic hit - so you would think they could easily afford to give a few pounds worth of food each week to each needy household.
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Post by tangent on Mar 18, 2020 13:33:27 GMT
A group has been set up in Marple offering to pick up and deliver groceries and other supplies to anyone in Marple free of charge. They also volunteer to walk your dog. We had a leaflet through the door this morning with details. On the back is a list of 16 local shops and services that will deliver to your door and another four shops that will take telephone orders that volunteers will deliver. The group has a Facebook page. Not supermarket delivery services obviously, as those are completely booked out. We have managed to get a Morrison's slot for delivery in three weeks time. The cost is £2:10 for delivery, which I think is very reasonable.
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Post by kingedmund on Mar 18, 2020 14:04:17 GMT
This is gonna be so fun.
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 18, 2020 16:19:14 GMT
We simply can't afford to have groceries delivered. Well...I'm finding that I have plenty of nearby neighbors who are at far less risk than I and are willing to run such errands. A core of neighbors has come together to help each other out, at a social distance. I'm linked in via my FB Messenger account. Me? I happen to have a plentiful supply of latex gloves, for those who wish to venture out in to the grubby aisles of the supermarket in search of my food.
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Post by Kye on Mar 18, 2020 16:50:47 GMT
That reminds me --I should wash my hands again. I had a small grocery run this morning.
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Post by tangent on Mar 18, 2020 19:21:09 GMT
I've just been to the local hospital for an MRI scan - my doc found something suspicious. I was acutely aware of keeping well clear of passers-by in the hospital but when it came to the scan itself, I just couldn't keep six feet away from the clinicians. And when I was about to leave the unit, a second clinician coughed into his latex-gloved hand and then opened the door for me. Perhaps I should start a thread on Facebook asking for a thousand prayers.
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Post by Elis on Mar 18, 2020 19:55:20 GMT
We simply can't afford to have groceries delivered. Well...I'm finding that I have plenty of nearby neighbors who are at far less risk than I and are willing to run such errands. A core of neighbors has come together to help each other out, at a social distance. I'm linked in via my FB Messenger account. I guess we would be those neighbours at far less risk than you which is why we get our groceries ourselves. There are enough people who really need others to do it for them. We would offer, but Malcolm and I still have a cold, so I don't think we should come in contact with elderly people now. I did take Malcolm for a walk today. A virologist in Germany said that was actually beneficial as long as one keeps a distance, though quite a lot of people here aren't aware of that.
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Post by JoeP on Mar 18, 2020 19:56:18 GMT
That reminds me --I should wash my hands again. I had a small grocery run this morning. Did you wash your hands immediately upon getting home? That's the habit you need.
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Post by Kye on Mar 18, 2020 21:39:10 GMT
Yeah I know. And no I didn't.
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Post by Elis on Mar 18, 2020 21:40:56 GMT
I started doing that after Malcolm was born.
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