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Post by Moose on Jun 10, 2020 22:15:13 GMT
There is a movement here atm, presumably as a result of the BLM movement, to remove from public accessibility any TV shows, movies etc that portray things that are these days considered offensive, such as blackface. What do people think? Certainly I can understand there being a huge problem if people were to do such a thing these days but is removing a forty year old show that features such going to make it never have happened, or should these things remain as a reminder of what NOT to do?
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Post by Mari on Jun 11, 2020 6:56:21 GMT
I don't agree with removing it. It's a period of time we should learn from. I used to show an old British comedy in class which was totally not pc, but the kids understood that and we talked about it. And we laughed about the silly stereotyping, knowing better than that now. That said, it is possible to take a critical look at the content and remove things that simply are not okay. A kid's show where black people are used as slaves can arguably be removed since kids can't discriminate between then and now yet.
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Post by kingedmund on Jun 16, 2020 23:26:41 GMT
I’m with Mari on this. They Also want to remove Paw Patrol and anything to do with police at all.
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Post by Elis on Jun 18, 2020 9:16:57 GMT
How are we supposed to learn from things that were wrong if they are all just removed? In German History books there have been examples from nazi literature, such as what Aryan children were supposed to look like or what the look of a "bad" Jewish person was or or children's literature portrying Jewish people in horrible ways and I think that is important so we know what things were like and what was wrong and why it was wrong. Same with TV shows that were not pc. We need to talk about these things instead of just removing them and hiding them away.
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Post by Moose on Jun 19, 2020 0:19:56 GMT
Well yes and no. There are ways, I think, to talk about these issues without having statues which typically glorify people . Put it this way, there were probably statues to Hitler once upon a time and nobody protested when THEY were removed. Taking these things to museums and explaining their history is one solution, of course.
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Post by Elis on Jun 19, 2020 9:42:37 GMT
Actually, I've just realized I have no idea if there ever were statues of Hitler. Obviously, these things should not be talked about or shown in a way that glorifies them, but I do think they need to be talked about.
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Post by tangent on Jun 19, 2020 9:59:35 GMT
I'm unhappy about seeing statues of former slave traders and people who profited from the slave trade and would prefer to see them replaced by photographs in museums. I agree we should be taught about these people, in relation to the wrong things they did but not glorified with a statue.
On the other hand, we should be careful what we choose to vilify people. No person has held a blameless life and no one should be criticised for minor misdemeanours. For example, I suspect there is a section of society that hates the Boy Scout movement, not because of anything they have done but just because they are who they are. And because of that, some haters have called for Lord Baden-Powell's statue to be removed from Poole Harbour. To justify their hatred, they have dug up very tenuous accusations that some historians do not even believe are valid. I think we have to be very careful not to pander to hate groups and should only remove statues when their actions in the past are clearly offensive to vast majority.
Winston Churchill had some very bad beliefs about white supremacy but to my knowledge he didn't act upon them or influence others. Nevertheless, the thought police want his statue removed.
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Post by JoeP on Jun 19, 2020 22:04:44 GMT
Statues from public places are all to do with celebrating or at least positively remembering the person. They're nothing to do with objective history.
But withdrawing or blocking old films and TV shows is the same as banning books that authorities don't like: it's censorship, and adults at least should be free to watch and read.
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Post by JoeP on Jun 19, 2020 22:06:29 GMT
Aside: earlier when I saw this thread "Removing old offensive content" posted by Moose I didn't remember it was on this topic and wondered if it was about deleting old forum posts. Nothing bad ever comes from deleting things in forums.
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Post by Moose on Jun 19, 2020 23:16:13 GMT
I don't delete things in forums . Re 'censoring' films and shows - well I can see both sides of that too. We rewatched the Fawlty Towers episode 'The Germans' recently and there are bits of that that really do make me cringe. Do upcoming generations really need to see the Major ranting about 'n**gers'? Is anything really lost from the show if that scene is quietly retired?
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Post by Moose on Jun 19, 2020 23:17:26 GMT
Re Churchill, I've never understood why he is so revered. Some of the things he said were truly vile.
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Post by tangent on Jun 20, 2020 0:53:09 GMT
Re Churchill, I've never understood why he is so revered. Imagine if you can Boris Johnson as Prime Minister during WWII.
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Post by Moose on Jun 20, 2020 2:55:36 GMT
Well quite.
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Post by maurusian on Jul 24, 2020 14:47:08 GMT
There is a movement here atm, presumably as a result of the BLM movement, to remove from public accessibility any TV shows, movies etc that portray things that are these days considered offensive, such as blackface. What do people think? Certainly I can understand there being a huge problem if people were to do such a thing these days but is removing a forty year old show that features such going to make it never have happened, or should these things remain as a reminder of what NOT to do? When it comes to kids, it's understandable that you'd want to have some level of "censorship" (more like withholding information than actively banning access to it), until they form a strong moral basis of what is right and wrong. I believe this only applies to universal values though, not to religious or ideological indoctrination. But in general, I don't approve of destroying statues, artifacts or media, or banning them because they contain "offensive" content. Social norms and values evolve through the generations, and by this token we'll have a round of censorship every 30-50 years, because the new norms would then consider something previously regarded as "normal", as "offensive". It's also quite enlightening and educational to learn the views of our predecessors, and to realize that future generations might see us just as we see them. You can't have a good understanding of history without understanding the norms and values of old epochs. That being said, I agree that public statues or depictions of personalities that had negative and can still have negative influence on society (Hitler for instance), should be removed.
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Post by spaceflower on Jul 30, 2020 23:20:57 GMT
No censur. People are so stupid btw. The confederate flag is now a hate object. I can understand that. But now people of Norwegian descent cannot have their flag. I guess, the more stupid and ignorant people are, the more they hate. And the hates rule the world. nypost.com/2020/07/29/norwegian-flag-removed-from-inn-after-its-mistaken-for-confederate-flag/Many flags have the colours red, white and blue. The British one for instance. Maybe this is the only non-American flag some Americans know.
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Post by kingedmund on Aug 20, 2020 15:08:52 GMT
Oh my!
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