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Post by juju on Jul 3, 2020 19:22:21 GMT
My middle son who lives in Gdansk is desperate for us to come and visit, and I'm desperate to see him. He can't come here because of quarantine rules and work commitments. Regular flights to Poland have now been reinstated (with masks and other safety measures), but I'm still not prepared to do it.
Question - would you fly yet? If not - when would you consider it?
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Post by tangent on Jul 3, 2020 20:07:41 GMT
The stakes for me are very high. I must stay inside until a vaccine is found. That is not the case for everyone.
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Post by Elis on Jul 3, 2020 20:17:02 GMT
Right now I would probably not be comfortable, though it depends on where we would fly. My parents have planned a holiday at the East Sea with us in August (booked at the end of last year) and they are determined to still do it, so we will go there by train - and then we might as well fly somewhere.
Were trying to figure out where we can and have to make compromises. My parents both might not have much time left and they want to see us and their grandchild. I guess each family will need to decide for themselves if they can cope with not seeing each other for a year or longer. Which might be easier with adults than when small children are involved.
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Post by juju on Jul 3, 2020 20:59:59 GMT
Yes, elderly parents is another issue. We will need to travel to the Midlands at some point to see our parents but I'm not sure where we should stay. I guess if we're super careful (which we are - we don't even go shopping, we do click and collect) then we might be fine to stay with them, if they are happy to have us. My eldest son wants to come to Wales from London at some point, but again I'm not really comfortable with him staying with us, especially as he'd come here on public transport and I know he's been out and about a lot. This is all so disturbing - I don't want to feel endangered by my own children! Friends of ours with grown up children seem to be OK with it all, which makes me feel bad. I feel gaslighted by the government, they're acting like we should all go back out and about again, and we are made to feel if we don't throw ourselves back into normality there's something wrong with us or we're somehow being cowardly.
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Post by JoeP on Jul 3, 2020 22:00:12 GMT
My answer may be biased.
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Post by juju on Jul 3, 2020 22:29:50 GMT
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Post by juju on Jul 3, 2020 23:22:53 GMT
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Post by Kye on Jul 4, 2020 0:23:14 GMT
I probably won't fly again until some serious safety measures are in place. Now that I'm diabetic and almost 69, I'm definitely in the vulnerable group.
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Post by Moose on Jul 4, 2020 3:56:15 GMT
I never fly Unless my hormones go weird.
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Post by JoeP on Jul 4, 2020 9:28:23 GMT
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Post by juju on Jul 4, 2020 9:54:54 GMT
Ah, OK. But this is a case in point - we are now at the point where we have to make our own judgments about the risk, which I find incredibly unsettling. We've spent the last three months keeping 2 metres from people - to suddenly be sitting a few inches away from a stranger for a couple of hours, hoping they keep their mask on properly, would feel very worrying. But I don't want to feel like a coward, or that I don't miss my son enough to take the chance, because I really do. Neither myself or my husband is in a vulnerable group as far as we know (although older men are more at risk of course) but neither do we want to get sick, as there are still too many unknowns about the virus. Are we being wimps? (genuine question). So Joe, assuming you will fly as soon as you can, what has reassured/would reassure you about it?
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Post by Kye on Jul 4, 2020 9:59:24 GMT
The thing that might reassure me a bit about flying is the fact that they've apparently upped the air circulation in the cabins. That horrible stale air puts me off even if there is no pandemic.
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Post by kingedmund on Jul 5, 2020 16:01:18 GMT
The stakes for me are very high. I must stay inside until a vaccine is found. That is not the case for everyone. I’m with you on this. I just am not keen on flying pandemic or no pandemic. I went to Vegas last fall and took a plane for the first time in awhile.I hadn’t been on a plane since 2008 which was 11 years prior to Vegas. The plane in 2008 had power failure so I had a bad experience then. Dropped 1000 feet In a matter of seconds before they regained control. That is why I don’t like flying and was stressed out on the flight to Vegas.
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Post by tangent on Jul 5, 2020 17:25:42 GMT
I'm not surprised you were stressed out, that experience would scare anyone.
I actually love flying and would be delighted to fly to the International Space Station if I could. My son has a pilot's licence and he took us up in a small 4-seater when we visited him in Australia. The landing wasn't exactly what I'm used to though, I think we bounced five times. But the only occasion we had slight problem was when the ailerons failed to operate on landing at Manchester one day. The pilot calmly announce that we would have to fly to London Stanstead airport where they had a very long runway. On arrival at Stanstead, the ailerons were working again so we had a normal landing. But I noticed a dozen fire engines lining the runway as we did. I found it mildly exciting.
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Post by Moose on Jul 8, 2020 21:42:53 GMT
I'd love to BE on the ISS but not to fly to it and alas teleports have yet to be invented. I always wonder whether they spend all their time there worrying about the flight back. That said, has anyone ever died going there or back?
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Post by tangent on Jul 8, 2020 22:30:58 GMT
People died in the Space Shuttles Challenger and Columbia flights. I can't remember if they were destined for the ISS.
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Post by Moose on Jul 8, 2020 22:39:11 GMT
I don't think Challenger was .. not sure about the other
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Post by kingedmund on Jul 9, 2020 4:33:27 GMT
Tangent, I sure the fear is an irrationally one But I am trying to overcome it.
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Post by whollygoats on Jul 15, 2020 2:01:36 GMT
I'm in the same boat as Farther Kye. And I'm with her all the way on the stale air thing.
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Post by Elis on Jul 15, 2020 7:52:51 GMT
Have read about a German couple who wanted to fly to Majorca for a holiday, but they flew via Zurich. Spain was not accepting flights from Zurich, though, and put the couple on the next plane back to Zurich from where they had to get to Frankfurt airport where their car was parked. Flying seems to include a lot of nasty surprises these days.
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Post by tangent on Jul 15, 2020 12:12:16 GMT
Oh dear, what a horrid surprise
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Post by whollygoats on Jul 15, 2020 13:31:40 GMT
duplicate
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Post by Miisa on Jul 16, 2020 8:45:07 GMT
I seem to be on the more panicky end of the scale. I don't fear so much for myself, but for so many people around me. And for what will happen to them and my pets if I am hospitalised. I know that masks will help very little on a plane as airborne particles will just as easily get in through the eyes as the nose or mouth, and the biggest defence would be if they screen everyone coming on the plane from being actively sick. Even that doesn't screen out the asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic people who might still be infectious. It is also beginning to look like a previous infection might not mean you are safe. A whole other issue is airports, public transport and any human interaction at the destination. I would not enjoy a single minute of the trip, and would continue to be stressed out and isolated for months after getting back, as there will always be the fear in my mind that I am actually asymptomatic and shedding viruses to others. Similarly, I also don't go near people I know have been out of the country in the past couple of months.
I know I am being extreme, but I am actually taking this stuff seriously. I have not touched a human being except my two children (and the nurse that gave me a blood test) in the past five months, not hugged my mother I think at all this year despite visiting her yard in the past couple of months. Some of my work includes visiting clients that have at-risk residents. There may not be laws forcing me to behave like this, but I know that if I got this thing and passed it on to anyone else the guilt alone might destroy me.
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Post by JoeP on Jul 16, 2020 9:04:41 GMT
We'd all be better off if a lot more people felt some of that panic, instead of apparently thinking it's all nothing and will never affect them or anyone they know. :grr:
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Post by kingedmund on Jul 17, 2020 3:00:56 GMT
I'm in the same boat as Farther Kye. And I'm with her all the way on the stale air thing. Not much on it either now that I think about it.
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Post by kingedmund on Jul 17, 2020 3:02:44 GMT
We'd all be better off if a lot more people felt some of that panic, instead of apparently thinking it's all nothing and will never affect them or anyone they know. :grr: So many know but could care less because their hair appointment is more important.
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Post by Elis on Jul 17, 2020 11:11:53 GMT
We'd all be better off if a lot more people felt some of that panic, instead of apparently thinking it's all nothing and will never affect them or anyone they know. :grr: I have to admit that this sometimes makes me angry. On Majorca, authorities have apparently had to close certain places due to Germans partying like usual while we did not even take our little guy to a playground until the pediatrician said he needed to have more chances to climb and exercise. We're so careful about where to make compromises and still restrict our everyday lives and if anyone causes a second wave, it will be those careless people. Am also a bit anxious about traveling and meeting my parents in August, but they really want to spend that holiday with us and are ready to take the risks that come with it and considering their special situation, we don't want to disappoint them.
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Post by tangent on Jul 17, 2020 13:13:47 GMT
Am also a bit anxious about traveling and meeting my parents in August, but they really want to spend that holiday with us and are ready to take the risks that come with it and considering their special situation, we don't want to disappoint them. I do hope you don't meet lots of people who are intent on partying.
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Post by Mari on Jul 19, 2020 7:53:21 GMT
Lots of Brits as well coming over to Amsterdam for a weekend to party and get away from the strict lockdown they still have back home.
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Post by Elis on Jul 19, 2020 11:07:40 GMT
I don't expect partying Germans or Brits where we are going. It's not such an extremely well-known place and definitely not a party location.
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