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Post by Moose on Nov 5, 2020 1:40:39 GMT
And I hope that he will .. the US still has to acknowledge the fact that a large percentage of the population - far larger than the polls indicated - voted for Trump. And that's a problem. Right now, a vote for Trump is, to me, a vote for bigotry and hatred. It's NOT the normal 'right versus left' thing.
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Post by tangent on Nov 5, 2020 1:47:37 GMT
Perhaps, but it could be more innocent, it could just be about jobs.
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Post by juju on Nov 5, 2020 10:09:14 GMT
Yeah, what’s really sad is that I can no longer look at regular white working class Americans on TV without wondering if they were Trump voters. I was watching something yesterday which featured families in the Midwest discussing their pride in their local business. It was not a political program, they seemed like really nice people, but all I could think of was whether they voted Trump. And if they did - and chances are they did - why didn’t all the bad stuff bother them? This has truly shaken my faith in humans.
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Post by JoeP on Nov 5, 2020 12:24:11 GMT
Right now, a vote for Trump is, to me, a vote for bigotry and hatred. Perhaps, but it could be more innocent, it could just be about jobs. It could be about jobs, but it can't be innocent. Jobs, but not for gays black Muslims disabled people or anyone else not like "us".
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Post by Moose on Nov 5, 2020 20:40:11 GMT
What Joe said. Even if people were voting because 'the economy' (or whatever they vaguely understand by that, and for the record I do not understand a great deal about that either) they are also still voting for bigotry and intolerance and they must know that.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 6, 2020 21:19:04 GMT
So...I was hoping that motivating and engaging more Americans to actually vote that the 'blue' wave of indignant voters would rise up to unseat the fascist wannabe and his coterie of slimy, corrupt toadies and bring a semblance of sanity back. But no. That has not happened. I don't think many Americans have digested that they will now have to spend the next four years trying to defend a weak crown, as the toadies will still be in charge of the US Senate, and thus all nominations to all higher offices of the nation, including the President's cabinet. McConnell is a vicious asshole of the lowest order. He will still be majority leader of the US Senate, as I understand it. I don't think a clean sweep of Georgia will even bring the Senate within Democrat reach. But, we wait it out.
What should our allies think? All that insanity may well return in four years? Trump has shat upon that carpet and the turd is still quite visible.
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Post by juju on Nov 7, 2020 16:16:39 GMT
Yeah. I think the elephant in the room is Biden’s age - he is surely a one term president (if he even gets that far). Not being ageist, but the odds are against him.
This means, I assume, that Kamala Harris will take over. Even apart from her gender and ethnicity, the fact that she was unelected as a leader will cause previous Trump voters to lose their shit, I would imagine. Much as I’d love to see a black woman in the highest office, I don’t see that being a unifying situation or the US being on an even keel any time soon.
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Post by tangent on Nov 7, 2020 16:45:44 GMT
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Post by Kye on Nov 7, 2020 17:38:15 GMT
Finally!
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Post by juju on Nov 7, 2020 17:49:50 GMT
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Post by Moose on Nov 7, 2020 19:10:39 GMT
The problem is that, as Kelly says, the win has not been as decisive as it should have been. Trump may, indeed, only be prevailed upon to leave by the promise that he can try again in four years. And he CAN try again in four years. Might this term just be a gap between Trump Presidencies? The Dems are gonna have to do a really good job to make their next win more impressive.
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Post by juju on Nov 7, 2020 20:13:12 GMT
Trouble is, as I mentioned above, it won't be with Biden. He's already indicated he won't seek a second term - he'll be 82.
But I hope, I hope, that the world will have moved on from Trump by then, and he'll just be a footnote. Just celebrating today.
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Post by tangent on Nov 7, 2020 21:05:06 GMT
He will be crushed by this defeat so I don't think he will not be in the mood to try again.
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Post by Moose on Nov 7, 2020 21:28:37 GMT
Heh I think you are totally wrong Steve
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Post by Kye on Nov 7, 2020 21:39:14 GMT
I think we'll get The President Trump Show spinoff: Trump the Shit Disturber.
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Post by Moose on Nov 7, 2020 22:04:04 GMT
Alas yes
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Post by tangent on Nov 8, 2020 1:18:38 GMT
I think we'll get The President Trump Show spinoff: Trump the Shit Disturber. That's much more likely. According to his niece, Mary Trump, he's a very weak and insecure person and so he will want to bolster his ego with some face-saving activity. But he's too old and physically unhealthy to run for the presidency again. And having failed once, I don't think he will want to try again.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 8, 2020 1:25:16 GMT
I suspect Dumbshit Donald thinks that Ivanka is the way forward for the Trump legacy. Expect to see him try to 'groom' her for the presidency.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 8, 2020 1:34:04 GMT
I was wrong about Pennsylvania and it looks as though I may have been wrong about all roads to a shift in the Senate having been closed.
It seems there will be not one, but two run-off elections for both senior and junior US senators from the state of Georgia. It is an exceedingly outside chance, and practically every functioning political operative in the country is either focused upon, or headed to, Georgia for these two races. Money must be in the process of being dumped upon printers and broadcasters in and around Georgia. If, and only if, the Democrats secure BOTH of these senate seats, will there be a 50-50 split between the Republican caucus and the Democratic caucus in the Senate (with two of the Democrats being Independents) and leave Vice President Harris with the deciding tie-breaking vote. It also gives ANY disgruntled majority member the ability to throw a spanner in to the works. Thus, the most conservative Democrat gets excess leverage.
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Post by tangent on Nov 8, 2020 7:19:44 GMT
In bed tonight, I suddenly realised Kamala rhymes with Pamela and thought, that's original, only to find out several people got there first, including Saturday Night Live.
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Post by juju on Nov 8, 2020 8:27:32 GMT
In bed tonight, I suddenly realised Kamala rhymes with Pamela and thought, that's original, only to find out several people got there first, including Saturday Night Live. That’s odd. After weeks if wondering how to pronounce it, I saw she’d even made an ad about it, showing that it’s ‘KARmela’. Most news anchors seemed to agree.
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Post by tangent on Nov 8, 2020 9:30:09 GMT
That's strange, I heard a news anchor pronounce it with a short 'a' and several publications say that it rhymes with Pamela. But you're right, her ad definitely has a long 'a'. The BBC says it's 'comma-la'.
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Post by tangent on Nov 8, 2020 13:23:51 GMT
I was wrong about Pennsylvania and it looks as though I may have been wrong about all roads to a shift in the Senate having been closed. It seems there will be not one, but two run-off elections for both senior and junior US senators from the state of Georgia. It is an exceedingly outside chance, and practically every functioning political operative in the country is either focused upon, or headed to, Georgia for these two races. Money must be in the process of being dumped upon printers and broadcasters in and around Georgia. If, and only if, the Democrats secure BOTH of these senate seats, will there be a 50-50 split between the Republican caucus and the Democratic caucus in the Senate (with two of the Democrats being Independents) and leave Vice President Harris with the deciding tie-breaking vote. It also gives ANY disgruntled majority member the ability to throw a spanner in to the works. Thus, the most conservative Democrat gets excess leverage. In neither contest for Senate seats did a candidate achieve 50% and so there will be run-offs between the two highest candidates in January. In one contest, the Republican was only 1.9% ahead and, although it will be a tough contest, it is achievable. But in the other contest, there were two Republican candidates: Raphael Warnock | Democrat | 32.9% | Kelly Loeffler | Republican | 25.9% | Doug Collins | Republican | 20.0% |
And so, in the run-off in January, if all Republican voters vote for Kelly Loeffler, he will win by a large margin.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 8, 2020 14:16:45 GMT
I was wrong about Pennsylvania and it looks as though I may have been wrong about all roads to a shift in the Senate having been closed. It seems there will be not one, but two run-off elections for both senior and junior US senators from the state of Georgia. It is an exceedingly outside chance, and practically every functioning political operative in the country is either focused upon, or headed to, Georgia for these two races. Money must be in the process of being dumped upon printers and broadcasters in and around Georgia. If, and only if, the Democrats secure BOTH of these senate seats, will there be a 50-50 split between the Republican caucus and the Democratic caucus in the Senate (with two of the Democrats being Independents) and leave Vice President Harris with the deciding tie-breaking vote. It also gives ANY disgruntled majority member the ability to throw a spanner in to the works. Thus, the most conservative Democrat gets excess leverage. In neither contest for Senate seats did a candidate achieve 50% and so there will be run-offs between the two highest candidates in January. In one contest, the Republican was only 1.9% ahead and, although it will be a tough contest, it is achievable. But in the other contest, there were two Republican candidates: Raphael Warnock | Democrat | 32.9% | Kelly Loeffler | Republican | 25.9% | Doug Collins | Republican | 20.0% |
And so, in the run-off in January, if all Republican voters vote for Kelly Loeffler, he will win by a large margin. Well, first of all, Kelly Loeffler is a woman. She is an incumbant, too. She was appointed to the office by the governor. Second, if she wins, she may well be removed from office for her insider trading crimes. Of course, if that happens, the governor of Georgia will just replace her with another Reptilian terrorist. So, like I said, it is a very long shot.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 8, 2020 17:15:49 GMT
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 8, 2020 17:19:14 GMT
I know a fair number of folks who are looking forward to seeing Dumbshit Donnie frogwalked out of the White House grounds by the Secret Service on January 20.
I'm hoping he will be arrested and the arresting officer will bash the perp's forehead in to the vehicle door frame. Repeatedly.
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Post by tangent on Nov 8, 2020 19:35:02 GMT
I know a fair number of folks who are looking forward to seeing Dumbshit Donnie frogwalked out of the White House grounds by the Secret Service on January 20. I'm hoping he will be arrested and the arresting officer will bash the perp's forehead in to the vehicle door frame. Repeatedly. Not all democrats want to pound him into the ground. From the Guardian in April: I want to see justice and I believe Trump should be fully accountable for his wrong-doings but I wouldn't want retribution to turn nasty.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 9, 2020 13:45:20 GMT
Yeah, well, I consider Andrew Yang to be a misguided fool, too. If we allow this misbehavior to go unaddressed, we might as well tell them, "Go ahead, do it again....We won't do anything." And, if we do, we will get that fascist shit again. And again. And again.
Retribution is ALWAYS nasty. It never comes in to play unless the perpetrator is a nasty piece of work to begin with.
Man, sometimes I wonder at your thought processes. Indict him, try him, and, if found guilty, then incarcerate him. What is the problem? Nobody is suggesting that we just arrest him and throw him in jail. I'm quite sure that there is way more evidence out there which needs to be unveiled in courts and condemn the asshole to die in prison. Whereas you want to empower fascists by not holding them responsible for their travesties. Riiiiiight....No accountability whatsoever. That makes you that proto-fascist I labeled you earlier.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 9, 2020 14:31:43 GMT
Pro-tip: If you find a Democrat that supports your position, don't throw their quote at me like I'm gonna crumble. I'm NOT a Democrat.
I'm sure I've made that clear in several posts here. I left the Democratic Party in disgust in 2006, after the state's party kingpin was outted as a pedophile who had been protected from all legal ramification by state and party officials insulating him. That just capped the disdain I'd generated during the Clinton administration. I could care less what some Democrat might have to say about the situation, particularly if I have no respect for that specific Democrat.
Indict Donny Dumbshit. Try him. Find him guilty; I don't think it will be difficult at all. Then, levy the same consequences as one would on any other perpetrator. Justice is blind, remember?
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 9, 2020 17:41:05 GMT
And, if he is frogmarched out of the White House, it will be because he refused to concede and brought the indignity upon himself.
No one should have any compassion at all for such behavior.
No one.
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