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Post by Kye on Sept 15, 2013 19:19:19 GMT
This video says something interesting about how we communicate. And the irony of posting it here is not lost on me...
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Post by charliebrown on Sept 15, 2013 19:28:42 GMT
I like the visual presentation of this video (I am a visual person), and its message too. My husband is the kind of person who doesn't join social media (of course he needs to use e-mail for work), he gives me 'reality check' all the time
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Post by JoeP on Sept 15, 2013 22:20:41 GMT
Thank you for sharing that "I share therefore I am." The video has some good insights and messages, but it only represents a certain type of the online styles that I see. The blurb "shows exactly what’s wrong with our social structure now, and how we manipulate how we want to be presented to peers, family members, and potential mates on social media" certainly doesn't apply to everyone, and I would have thought not many of us here. I think the habit of collecting connections and spending most of your effort on polishing your image and carefully crafting what you're going to say is not actually that new in social terms ... at one point it occurred to me that Jane Austen would understand what's being described here.
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Post by Alvamiga on Sept 16, 2013 7:36:26 GMT
Thankfully, I am not like this video shows, as many of the points it makes are exactly what I hate about social media.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Sept 16, 2013 8:14:13 GMT
I think the habit of collecting connections and spending most of your effort on polishing your image and carefully crafting what you're going to say is not actually that new in social terms ... at one point it occurred to me that Jane Austen would understand what's being described here. Ha! It is very Austenesque isn't iit? I also agree it's not my experience. Oh sure to some extent I post up the nicest pics and not the horrid ones. But those pics are permanent and up there for anyone to look at at any time. It's like when magazines post pics of celebrities looking awful "without makeup" and stuff like that. If you happen to catch somebody in an odd grimace that fleeting sub second moment is caught forever. In real life you don't notice it because you are seeing an animated, moving person who isn't frozen in one moment forever. There are real connections to be made onliine as we see here, thougn we are a small group. We wouldn't be so connected if we were on one of those mega forums with thousands of members. People seem to think the online world is completely different from the offline world - it's just an extension of who we are and like real life there are places which are cosy and you interact with people you know well (like here versus your local pub) and there are places that are larger and people get lost in the crowd like a large forum versus being at some conference or lecture.
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Post by charliebrown on Sept 16, 2013 9:37:16 GMT
I am not a pub person. So I check out here instead In fact I feel more comfortable here than going into a pub full of strangers. I am rather shy irl and unlikely to strike a unsolicited conversation. As for FB, I admit it could be a place to show off only the positive things in our lives. But it's convenient to share my photos with my family who are around the world.
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Post by JoeP on Sept 16, 2013 9:45:08 GMT
If you did, go to a pub, cb, you'd spend the time on your iPad But strictly, the video isn't talking about meeting new people in real life, but maintaining deep and solid connections with a small core of people - which I think you do He doesn't claim that online is bad and real life is good, which is a fairly silly conclusion that some people draw.
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Post by charliebrown on Sept 16, 2013 9:57:39 GMT
If you did, go to a pub, cb, you'd spend the time on your iPad That's exactly what will happen! But since I hate alcoholic stuff (don't like even beer), what's the point? I made yet a few friends via FB and met them in person. For a person like me, it seems a way of connecting. Remember: my husband was my pen pal! Long distance romance before the age of Internet, heh heh!
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Post by raspberrybullets on Sept 16, 2013 10:08:09 GMT
Yep, I met DG online and look how good that turned out. You do socialise with the people you know, I think that is the main important point. I've certainly found it less lonsesome if I have got you guys to chat with on here then if there is nobody around at all. So I don't think being online creates lonliness per se, but I do think we need physical connections and if we were only relying on the online we'd be in trouble. In the end our relationships (the romantic ones) moved into real life.
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Post by JoeP on Sept 16, 2013 13:11:28 GMT
I met someone online too, I'm pretty sure ...
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Post by raspberrybullets on Sept 16, 2013 13:42:59 GMT
Did you? No, really? I never would have guessed it!
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Post by tangent on Sept 16, 2013 14:24:46 GMT
Really? Do we know him/her?
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Post by JoeP on Sept 16, 2013 14:36:20 GMT
That would be telling.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Sept 16, 2013 14:37:50 GMT
We'll just have to remain ignorant and speculate.
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Post by Miisa on Sept 16, 2013 16:13:33 GMT
I call BS on the video. Sounded like all the lines of fancy soundbyte-y nothingspeak I used to feed my professors to get good grades.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Sept 16, 2013 16:37:56 GMT
It is severely depressing when you realise how often people - both professors and managers - will give the best grades/performance to the ones who spout nothingspeak.
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Post by JoeP on Sept 16, 2013 16:51:18 GMT
With fancy animated graphics, don't forget them.
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Post by Miisa on Sept 16, 2013 17:03:08 GMT
Bah, I did it old-school, no graphics. They still bought it.
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Post by Alvamiga on Sept 16, 2013 23:29:34 GMT
I am very glad Powerpoint had not been invented when I was at school!
I think the video makes some good points, but also relies on some sweeping generalisations, too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 8:21:36 GMT
I've often had conversations with people who can't understand how you can make friends online. Some think I don't have many friends irl because I'm online too much, others think that friends I met online are not real frineds. however, I think I was drawn to Forums because I have a very hard time making friends irl. I have never been a very popular person or someone people have been drawn to. And I find face-to-face situations more difficult, even though I practised a bit while working in the bar. Frank isn't a forum person either, but I think that might also be because he doesn't like to write. He can express himself very well in writing, but he just doesn't like to do it. Plus, he has slight dyslexia which shows a bit when he writes.
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Post by Alvamiga on Sept 17, 2013 18:53:14 GMT
I have for a long time had problems with random social stuff; it is one of the reasons I started going to the MAG meetings, along with all the help in staying safe on my bike.
I took me a few weeks to even get myself to the first meeting, but this week I actually managed to get through a report on what happened at the charity bike run I went to on Sunday in front of 10-20 people. I would not have been able to even think of that a few years back.
Due to members from other groups coming on various weeks and so on, I am meeting new people continuously and it is helping greatly with my social abilities. I think most people do not know how difficult it is for me because they usually meet me within my comfort zone and the difference there is huge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 8:55:46 GMT
Same her. I can be very chatty and lively with people I know and feel comfortable around, but there are lots of other situations in which I can hardly get out a single word.
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Post by tangent on Sept 19, 2013 10:00:21 GMT
I completely agree, I am usually very quiet with people I don't know.
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Post by charliebrown on Sept 19, 2013 16:54:22 GMT
Me three.
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Post by Mari on Sept 19, 2013 17:20:14 GMT
Same here. Though I've gotten quite good at pretending when I'm feeling okay. I'm very unsociable when I'm tired or sad.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Sept 19, 2013 17:49:18 GMT
It's going to be the quietest moot ever! But not to worry, DG loves to be the loudest in any setting.
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Post by DGoeij on Sept 19, 2013 17:50:34 GMT
True. Put two beers in me and I no longer need two way communication either.
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Post by Mari on Sept 19, 2013 17:50:54 GMT
Hehe, I'm quite sure I'll feel comfortable enough to talk. I've met most of you already, after all. In fact, most of you are hanging on my wall
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Post by raspberrybullets on Sept 19, 2013 17:51:07 GMT
He's not joking.
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Post by DGoeij on Sept 19, 2013 17:52:05 GMT
You're going to scare all these mutes away! Still won't be a quiet moot even if it's just the two of us.
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