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Post by Moose on Oct 6, 2013 18:10:35 GMT
I first saw this about a decade ago and thought at the time it was the scariest film I had ever seen. I watched it again a Cpl nights ago online and had no particular reason to reverse that opinion. It is slow to start and does not have as much gore as some horror films but I found it genuinely psychologically disturbing in a 'this has managed to get into my head' type of way. Has anyone seen it? Thoughts?
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Post by Miisa on Oct 6, 2013 18:13:28 GMT
Saw it donkey's years ago and remember it was scary and about space madness, but clearly didn't leave a huge impression.
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Post by JoeP on Oct 6, 2013 18:15:08 GMT
Sam Neill? And he has some vision or actual experience of his wife committing suicide?
Other than that I remember no more than the penguin does.
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Post by Moose on Oct 6, 2013 18:17:16 GMT
Yes that's the one
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Post by JoeP on Oct 6, 2013 18:29:56 GMT
I remember it being a pretty good film, and quite disturbing, as you say
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Post by Moose on Oct 6, 2013 18:42:11 GMT
I watched it again with Oliver last night. He was unimpressed
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Post by JoeP on Oct 6, 2013 18:45:32 GMT
Is he too cool for old films?
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Post by Moose on Oct 6, 2013 18:52:37 GMT
he just did not think it was scary enough
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Post by juju on Oct 6, 2013 20:15:36 GMT
I think I saw the last half of it some time ago, and yes, it was pretty scary. I think it probably resonates with most people's darkest fears.
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Post by Moose on Oct 6, 2013 20:48:58 GMT
Well yeah. I can tolerate slasher movies of the Nightmare on Elm Street variety because they seem pretty samey .. attractive teenage girl gets stalked and then brutally murdered by monster, unless she is pretty enough to star in the sequel. This was different tho .. the idea that everyone's worst fear or guilty secret will return to haunt them (and for the record I don't HAVE any guilty secrets, or not serious ones, so I do not know why this affected my so badly. In some strange way it seems connected with my dad's death and the worry I have had since that he is in hell)
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Post by tangent on Oct 6, 2013 23:27:39 GMT
I won't watch a violent category 18 film, I find the idea of subjecting myself to horrible, sickening things quite distressing.
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Post by Alvamiga on Oct 7, 2013 6:57:03 GMT
Not all 18 certificate films are like that.
The trend these days seems to be to make lower certificate films to widen the potential audience, which is a shame as it means many films get over sanitised.
Aliens, for example, would be nothing like as good if they had to fight the beasts using only harsh language!
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Post by DGoeij on Oct 7, 2013 17:56:52 GMT
I think I remember that one... Wihtout wanting to end up spoilering it, is that with the odd artefact on the bottom of the ocean? I remember it as not too bad. Lamish ending iirc.
Maybe a bit more suggestive in its way of telling a tale to fit a teenage attention span?
Cartman defeated Saddam Hussein by a good sweary rant, right?
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Post by Moose on Oct 7, 2013 18:00:56 GMT
Hey DG I sent you a PM but you might not have noticed depending on what skin you are using .. some do not notify people
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Post by tangent on Oct 7, 2013 21:51:07 GMT
Not all 18 certificate films are like that. Some 18 certificate films do not contain sickening gratuitous violence? Well, that's good but I don't think any film should contain graphic violence that we would not want to entertain in real life. (Implied tragedy, as in Shakespeare's plays, are a very different category.)
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Post by Alvamiga on Oct 7, 2013 22:33:24 GMT
Yes, some 18 certificate films contain gratuitous sex, nudity and foul language instead!
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Post by Moose on Oct 7, 2013 23:10:53 GMT
I can think of one Shakespeare play right off the top of my head in which a guy got his eyes torn out and another in which someone was made into a pie.
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Post by tangent on Oct 7, 2013 23:44:28 GMT
And did you see this happen on stage?
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Post by Moose on Oct 8, 2013 0:01:39 GMT
I have never seen either acted so I would not know
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Post by Alvamiga on Oct 8, 2013 7:02:52 GMT
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Post by Miisa on Oct 8, 2013 10:16:25 GMT
I have seen some pretty gory violence on a Shakespeare stage, in a history, battle scenes.
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Post by tangent on Oct 8, 2013 11:11:41 GMT
If it's violent, I don't want to see it, even if Mr Shakespeare wrote it. We have different standards on slavery, race hatred and torture now. I'd be happy enough decommissioning any Shakespeare play that transgresses today's ethics.
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Post by Miisa on Oct 8, 2013 13:18:49 GMT
He was hardly condoning the violence, but I think it was necessary, as it sometimes is, to show the brutality and horridness of war, and its effects of the characters and the story. I think violence - and whole stories with them - is often dismissed as gratuitous even when it really can deepen our insight into what is going on and how people feel and react.
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Post by Moose on Oct 8, 2013 16:21:05 GMT
Steve really! You cannot decommission Shakespeare just because you don't personally like violence on screen or stage. That would be cultural vandalism.
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Post by tangent on Oct 8, 2013 17:18:22 GMT
If there were a referendum, I would vote to cut out all of Shakespeare's plays that contained gratuitous violence. Has Othello been dropped because it's racist? He was hardly condoning the violence, but I think it was necessary, as it sometimes is, to show the brutality and horridness of war, and its effects of the characters and the story. Granted, what you say is correct, but I wonder how much of the violence in category 18 films is necessary to show the brutality and horridness of war etc. I had assumed most of the violence was there to provide entertainment, a bit like the public displays of hanging in earlier times.
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Post by Miisa on Oct 8, 2013 17:20:34 GMT
Frequently yes, but in better-written stuff it often is a plot point or otherwise drives the story or characters forward.
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Post by Alvamiga on Oct 8, 2013 19:33:26 GMT
Programmes such as CSI would be dead in the water!
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Post by raspberrybullets on Oct 11, 2013 14:48:44 GMT
I'm not a fan of violence in theatre/tv but sometimes I think it can serve auseful purpose. If it makes the horrors of war more real for people that might be a good thing. On the other hand voilence just for the sake of it I despise. Which is why I don't like shows like Sopranos and have no wish to watch shows like Dexter which just seem to glorify violence like it means nothing.
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Post by tangent on Oct 11, 2013 15:01:43 GMT
I also avoid murder stories such as Agatha Christie's Miss Marple and games such as Cluedo. Murder isn't funny and I don't like the idea of them being classed as entertainment.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Oct 11, 2013 18:19:17 GMT
On the other hand I don't mind a film that is really outrageously violent. Like Inglorious Bastards or Kill Bill.
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