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Post by spaceflower on May 6, 2014 1:06:04 GMT
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Post by Moose on May 6, 2014 2:01:33 GMT
I agree on all points
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Post by Mari on May 6, 2014 18:28:56 GMT
It was the same argument in a case where a 17 year old boy called his 6 friends and they raped his 14-year old simple girlfriend. Not sure if it stood up in court actually, but that a lawyer would even dare say the boys shouldn't be tried for rape because she had sex before and came to the house of her boyfriend, knowing there would be other boys present is disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 6:27:17 GMT
So if you have agreed to have sex with one guy, that automatically means you have agreed to have sex with anyone and so it's not rape. That's what it sounds like. And it's awful!
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Post by DGoeij on May 7, 2014 9:53:28 GMT
*urgh* Not an unheard of way of thinking unfortunately. Not that related to being Texas all that much either. Granted, ridiculous conservative notions on sex in general and women's sexuality in particular certainly doesn't help. I was actually looking for another video, but guess what, 2011, in the UK, by a Justice Secretary: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8520940/Kenneth-Clarke-questions-whether-date-rape-is-really-rape.htmlGetting raped is by definition the fault of the woman, due to short skirts, tight tops, going out at night, being in the vicinity of alcohol (or worse, having the audacity of drinking it), going home alone, being unmarried, unescorted, leading a guy on, dating a guy, having had voluntary sex before, etc etc. Not to mention that something as man on man rape is only something that happens in prisons (if ever) and those criminals have it coming anyway... Once you start paying attention to the attitudes displayed when it involves violence against women, you soon get very very uncomfortable.
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Post by Mari on May 7, 2014 15:47:50 GMT
The other way around isn't a very good position to be in either. If guys say they were raped by a woman, they are made fun of or asked if they are really a man and that sort of junk. Rape is not that hard to understand really. It's when someone ignored the other person's "no" in a sexual way. See? Easy. >_<
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2014 4:56:22 GMT
It made me feel uncomfortable when I was working in the bar. Some men called me "Tresenschlampe" (translated that means bar-slut) and even some women used that word. I hated it since it implies that just because I work behind a bar, I was willing to do anything which was not true. For me it was just a job. Sometimes, when I was alone in there, I did feel scared that someone would do something or try it and it was one of the reasons I stopped working in the bar.
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Post by tangent on May 10, 2014 19:00:29 GMT
I'm not surprised the Telegraph reported the interview in that way but it is actually bogus. Ken Clarke introduced some proposals to amend rape sentencing laws that, in my view, were helpful to the victims and quite reasonable. But every single UK newspaper reported the proposals in such a misleading way that their readers thought Ken Clarke was halfing rape sentences, which he was not. It seems that every female reporter was gunning for him. I watched an interview with him on television, where he came across as a bumbling old man and subsequently, he was demoted to a lesser role in the cabinet. But what he said in the Radio 5 interview was not what the Telegraph reported, as far as I can tell. But I agree with everything else you say in your post, which is perfectly valid.
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