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Post by tangent on Nov 9, 2020 23:17:02 GMT
I was not impressed by your rant, Kelly. Whereas you want to empower fascists by not holding them responsible for their travesties. You say I want to empower fascists by not holding them responsible for their travesties but I specifically said the opposite. Read what I say, don't make things up to justify your anger. Your insults mean nothing to me, I couldn't care less.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 10, 2020 2:24:27 GMT
I was not impressed by your rant, Kelly. Whereas you want to empower fascists by not holding them responsible for their travesties. You say I want to empower fascists by not holding them responsible for their travesties but I specifically said the opposite. Read what I say, don't make things up to justify your anger. Your insults mean nothing to me, I couldn't care less. So, explain to me why you are posting opinions from obscure Democratic presidential candidates from April. To show that some Democrats don't want to 'persecute' Trump? Why did you introduce such a useless bit of information in to the discussion at this point? Who the fuck cares what Andrew Yang said in April? I have my hypothesis and it is not flattering for you. And, given your ongoing limp dick approach to this, I frankly don't give a shit whether you are 'impressed' or not.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 10, 2020 3:24:30 GMT
So...The Mueller Report remains and no counts against Trump were ever filed due to that. The Ukrainian charges were all focused upon other charges than those implied in the Mueller Report. Trump has NOT been tried for any of the implied crimes of colluding with the Russians over the 2016 elections. Charges which a recent Senate Judiciary investigation reported out as being accurate....He has not been exonerated; which puts them in play post-exit. That, along with the upcoming 'money laundering' charges which I expect to arise from the Deutschebank data and the insurance and tax fraud those will illuminate. Prolly all date from before his election, yet well within the statutes of limitations (that is, outside his tenure as president). The prosecutors at the Southern District of New York stand ready to serve (subpeonas, I assume).
Then, there are the crimes he committed while president, the most egregious being the many multiple violations of the emolument clause of the Constitution and his oath of office. Since some dumbass DoJ memo forbade calling a sitting president to task by pointing out those crimes, immediately after seems the appropriate time to take up the whole indictment, trial and judgment on those issues.
I still want to find the translator who was present at the Trump/Putin alone time. I want to hear what transpired in that meeting. Helsinki, I think it was.
Trump should die in prison.
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Post by Moose on Nov 10, 2020 18:52:41 GMT
Yes well I don't. I am worried that he won't budge though and - what if the people ordered to move him refused? Is that possible?
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Post by tangent on Nov 10, 2020 23:05:30 GMT
So, explain to me why you are posting opinions from obscure Democratic presidential candidates from April. To show that some Democrats don't want to 'persecute' Trump? Why did you introduce such a useless bit of information in to the discussion at this point? Who the fuck cares what Andrew Yang said in April? I have my hypothesis and it is not flattering for you. You might also ask, why did the Guardian columnist post an opinion from an obscure Democratic presidential candidate? Like myself, she says she dearly wants Trump to go to jail but she has also introduced another opinion, which in some circumstances could be valid. I don't hold bigotted views about everything as many Democrats do, I regard other people's opinions as valuable even if I don't agree with them. That's why I subscribe to Europeforum. And I'm sure other EF members like to read about different points of view. I'm sorry you don't get it. The name of the candidate is irrelevant, it could have been Joe Bloggs. I don't care what Andrew Yang said in April either but without a name, the quote loses its point.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 10, 2020 23:32:39 GMT
Then The Guardian is doing a shitty job and the shitty commentary you quote is useless information.
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Post by Moose on Nov 10, 2020 23:48:04 GMT
The Guardian is a very well respected paper here .. certainly the one I trust the most.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 11, 2020 14:06:04 GMT
Yes, I know, but to rely upon quotes from Andrew Yang to present a hollow and bankrupt vision to the readers is pathetic. Yang's opinion is so far from fucking reality that it is laughable to the extreme. It's shitty journalism because idiots glom on to this kind of pointless crap like it really means something. It doesn't.
Any argument to allow any latitude away from strict application of the law is just pimping for privilege, which is what tangent is doing in this thread. I'm sick of it and I've kept quiet about it for too fucking long. Allowing the rich and famous to walk away from their crimes with no consequences is stupid and destructive behavior. It will bring on the guillotines, pitchforks, torches and LOTS of angry villagers. We need justice, not 'just us'.
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Post by tangent on Nov 11, 2020 16:52:37 GMT
I am pleased to see you are giving some reasons at last for your objection but you continue to talk as though I am advocating it. Neither I nor the Guardian writer is advocating it. It is a contrasting idea of which there are many. Pardoning in this case is abhorrent to me, and I am glad that Biden has dismissed it. But the dismissal of an alternative viewpoint is also abhorrent to me whether or not a measly worm candidate is advocating it.
This viewpoint may be useless to you but it isn't useless to other members of EF. It's not all about you. Jo constructed EF on the premise that we debate many and various ideas. It's fine if you call it shitty information, we have no problem with that. But don't try to stop us giving alternative opinions.
You say that, "any argument to allow any latitude away from strict application of the law is just pimping for privilege" but you are very happy with having the arresting officer "bash the perp's forehead in to the vehicle door frame". You want him to be "frogmarched out of the White House" before he has been tried. So innocent until found guilty means nothing to you? That is a double standard. "Justice is blind" you say.
You say that "any argument to allow any latitude away from strict application of the law is just pimping for privilege, which is what tangent is doing in this thread." And yet I repeat, I said that "I want to see justice and I believe Trump should be fully accountable for his wrong-doings." You are continuing to make things up to justify your anger. I never said that I want to deviate from the law. You made that up! You say that "allowing the rich and famous to walk away from their crimes with no consequences is stupid and destructive behavior" and I couldn't agree more. You really have no clue when your anger gets out of control.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 11, 2020 20:32:41 GMT
You say that, "any argument to allow any latitude away from strict application of the law is just pimping for privilege" but you are very happy with having the arresting officer "bash the perp's forehead in to the vehicle door frame". You want him to be "frogmarched out of the White House" before he has been tried. So innocent until found guilty means nothing to you? That is a double standard. "Justice is blind" you say. Then you missed the Donny Dumbshit's address to the police chiefs of the US, where he chortled over how he loved seeing police officers do exactly that to their arrests. So, you are steadfastly against his getting any of the shitty treatment HE wants dished out against others...you missed the sarcasm entirely. Which surprises me not at all.
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Post by Moose on Nov 11, 2020 22:31:57 GMT
What was that address? You must remember that we are not in your country; we get a lot of US news here but not as much as we do domestic news (do you know everything about the UK government?). I am not doubting you but am genuinely interested to know what he said.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 11, 2020 23:13:00 GMT
What was that address? You must remember that we are not in your country; we get a lot of US news here but not as much as we do domestic news (do you know everything about the UK government?). I am not doubting you but am genuinely interested to know what he said. The October 28, 2019, speech to the International Association of Police Chiefs in Chicago. Here. I don't know where in the more than hour long speech he made those shithead comments and I sure as shit am not going to listen to it to find out, but it was excerpted on the national news that evening. If you want to find it, you search for it. I'm not sure how the online platforms have sanitized the shithead's comments, but I don't trust Zuck at all. And, I am fully aware that you are not privy to all the shiploads of news about US political events. I have always imagined it to be roughly analogous to US ignorance on UK politics and it surprises, and rankles, when some Brit nitwit is expounding on US political issues by citing sources so marginal less than 1% of the US populace on any end of the spectrum give them any credence whatsoever. That holds whether it is some reputedly recognized 'journalist' for an international publisher, or some obscure Brit on an obscure online bulletin board. If tangent wants US readers to give his hypothesis any credence, he might want to point to Joe Biden himself. That man is so full of malarky, he can squeeze it out his ears. He floated the possibility of running a 'unity ticket', with a Republican as the VP. Really. He's that fuckin' credulous. Andrew Yang pales in comparison to that.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 12, 2020 2:59:41 GMT
Well, checking more, I found the statement, from a speech to US law enforcement officials in July 2017 at some gathering on Staten Island. Of course, a prevailing manner of dealing with this has been to avoid it entirely by shooting unarmed black men in the back. And, note the '10,000 new ICE officers' he said he'd be requesting? That's the little private army he was building to send in to 'Democratic cities' when unwanted protests arose.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 12, 2020 23:57:58 GMT
Meanwhile, the loser in the recent election is busily dismantling as much of the Defense Department administration as quickly as possible. Evidently, he was ticked that even his appointees were telling him not to use US military troops in domestic conflicts. I guess his semi-private army of ICE troopers and Border Guards weren't enough for his liking in terms of what he thought might be necessary to take over. To me, it looks as though he is firing his way down through the military system until he gets compliant military personnel. Of course, he has spent four years completely pissing off most military types, recruits and officers both. So, it's another shitshow by the incompetent nincompoop.
The shitstain has yet to concede.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 13, 2020 19:12:30 GMT
Well, evidently the Cheato Benito has slated a presser in about an hour from now. Rumors are that he has discovered that he can run again in 2024 and plans to announce his run for office. If you are the type to oogle as you pass a wretched accident...make sure you watch. ETA: Perhaps this is an indicator?
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Post by Moose on Nov 13, 2020 20:05:42 GMT
I wonder if he will live to 2024 .. he's not in good shape. I wonder also if the more sensible members of his party will let it happen.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 13, 2020 20:21:34 GMT
Update...Rumors now are that he will use the presser to claim recognition for the development of a vaccine. In other words, more bullshit.
I love how Pfizer bitch-slapped Mike Pence for his false claim about their vaccine.
ETA: Yep...He wants acclaim for the vaccine.
And to smear Governor Cuomo.
At that, I bailed. I hate listening to that toxic pustule.
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Post by Moose on Nov 13, 2020 22:57:20 GMT
No-one is going to believe that shite. Even his moron base are not going to believe it.
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Post by Kye on Nov 13, 2020 23:21:35 GMT
Yeah, I think they will...
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 14, 2020 0:37:08 GMT
Moose....There is every evidence that some 34% of the adult populace of the United States may well believe that shite. Of course, those in the biz world will know better, despite what they may say....
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 24, 2020 5:45:29 GMT
So...Finally. GSA authorizes transition team needs.
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Post by juju on Nov 24, 2020 9:12:02 GMT
He’s still tweeting that he’s only allowed the transition because the GSA lady got harassment and death threats. What a hero.
Meanwhile he’s keeping his followers’ hopes alive by stating he has a STRONG case (caps). From various comments in threads, they think he has a master plan for the Supreme Court.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 27, 2020 18:29:40 GMT
I'm actually hoping that he's still sitting in the Oval Office while Joe is taking the oath and the Secret Service gives him the bum's rush, complete with a kick to the gonads and hefted by the seat of his pants and unceremoniously frog marched out of the building. Even if they don't detain him at the nearby city jail for booking on a number of outstanding warrants, it will be fun.
I'm torn on whether he should have to surrender his passport. Where can he go with it that he can't without it? Do we even want to stop him from running? I think his self-exile might be just what the nation needs. I recommend you harden your borders; he has investments there. Shithotels. The flies leaving the swamp here will congregate in and around those shithotels and you'll have an infestation that will be difficult to eradicate.
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Post by Moose on Nov 27, 2020 22:32:49 GMT
We're not having him here! One political buffoon is enough, thanks. Maybe North Korea would roll out the red carpet?
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 28, 2020 3:18:56 GMT
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Post by Moose on Nov 28, 2020 22:40:20 GMT
In reality he'll probably just do the after dinner circuit and make millions of pounds
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 28, 2020 23:18:28 GMT
Nah...That's a mite lame for him. I suspect he'll fashion himself the 'true president' of the US and sow as much dissension and chaos as possible. And, he needs food for his ego.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 30, 2020 18:19:48 GMT
I trust the state of Wisconsin got its $3 million up front before doing the recount.
**horselaugh**
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Post by tangent on Nov 30, 2020 19:17:15 GMT
87 more for Biden is a good result. Not too big a number to suggest substantial errors but small and positive.
I'd be delighted if there were a recount of the whole state of Pennsylvania, which would no doubt cost an awful lot more money, if only to put these ridiculous ideas of fraud to their final resting place.
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Post by Moose on Dec 1, 2020 1:30:41 GMT
Trouble is that his followers would not believe it, even if there was a recount and he lost. Of course, if he WON that would be different.
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