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Post by Moose on Jul 4, 2014 16:49:57 GMT
Five years and nine months for molesting young children - hmm. Also apparently a possessor of a good deal of child pornography. Nasty piece of work. I actually thought that he seemed a genuinely nice guy all those years he was on TV.
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Post by tangent on Jul 4, 2014 23:48:59 GMT
So did the Queen when he painted her portrait.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Jul 5, 2014 5:52:59 GMT
Didn't even show any remorse.
Now he's being stripped of everything too. His awards and accolades and such - that can be taken away anyhow. Don't suspect many people will be listening to his songs now. Won't be able to listen to Six White Boomers at christmas any more.
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Post by juju on Jul 5, 2014 16:55:26 GMT
My first reaction when it all came out was dismay - I'm beginning to wonder if anyone from my TV childhood isn't dodgy. Having said that, he (and Saville, and several others) used to creep me out a bit as a child, although as an adult I quite liked his enthusiasm for art and animals and I guess like most people I saw him as an institution.
I'd like to feel sorry for his wife, but even if she didn't know about the abuse I tend not to have too much sympathy for women who stick with blokes who are quite clearly lecherous around other females (which he apparently was).
Is 5 years too short? Probably, but he'll be nearly 90 then (unless he dies in prison first). His life, his reputation and everything is already over, really, so I guess it's moot anyway.
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Post by Moose on Jul 5, 2014 17:45:22 GMT
Well yes, I suppose that he has lost everything he had and even if he lives to be released he will be a social pariah when he is. All being said I guess it's a fair punishment. But yeah, it is rather disillusioning, all these childhood favourites turning out to be abusers and perverts
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Post by Alvamiga on Jul 5, 2014 18:05:56 GMT
Thankfully not all; they've just made so much noise about some of them than no-one notices all the people who didn't do anything like this.
I am in no way defending the bad things he has done, but he has still did a lot of good in his life and discovering this does not make it worthless. Should we all start to not teach our kids to swim, draw and stop caring about sick animals? It is not as black and white as that.
If he had not been caught, we would have all bee oblivious to it and everyone would have been happy, even though everything was otherwise the same. Apparently ignorance is bliss, but it still doesn't change anything.
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Post by Moose on Jul 5, 2014 20:37:34 GMT
I agree that it is not all black and white and I would like to hope that in some things - his desire to help animals for instance - he was sincere. But it's still horrible to see the details that are still emerging after the trial - about the stash of child porn on his PC for instance.
I wish Saville had lived long enough to get his come uppance
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Post by tangent on Jul 6, 2014 0:03:08 GMT
I was chatting to a guy in the gym a while back and his reaction was, that's what men did in those days. I don't agree that that excuses him in any way but it means there an awful lot of people who let this happen that are partly responsible.
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Post by Alvamiga on Jul 6, 2014 14:15:08 GMT
Yes, it's on a par with institutional racism in that respect. Just because it's "the accepted norm" doesn't make it right.
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Post by Moose on Jul 6, 2014 16:59:26 GMT
He touched up a seven year old. Even in the sixties that was neither normal nor acceptable
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Post by Alvamiga on Jul 6, 2014 17:38:38 GMT
Yes. I was just referring to the mentality of some of the other cases where sexual harassment at work was not seen in the same way as now.
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Post by Moose on Jul 6, 2014 20:19:08 GMT
I agree with that and, like many women, when I was younger I was sometimes in receipt of unwanted sexual advances - gropes and pinches and inappropriate suggestions. I did not like that but I would not have considered reporting it. Molesting a child is a whole different ball game though
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Post by tangent on Jul 7, 2014 23:21:31 GMT
He touched up a seven year old. Even in the sixties that was neither normal nor acceptable When the guy I met at the gym said that that was what men did in those days, he was referring to offences against older teenagers such as groping and not molesting a 7-year old.
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Jul 8, 2014 9:33:29 GMT
Yeeess ... but they are not really different behaviours are they - just progression in the same pattern of abusive behaviour.
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