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Post by juju on Dec 3, 2015 8:02:56 GMT
So, we're bombing Syria. That'll stop terrorism.
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Post by Moose on Dec 3, 2015 18:53:32 GMT
Or increase it.
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Post by tangent on Dec 3, 2015 20:44:44 GMT
The majority of MPs probably don't know the first thing about the make-up of a typical member of ISIS, what makes them tick and why they're fighting.
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Post by Moose on Dec 3, 2015 20:47:37 GMT
I am just waiting for the photos to start emerging. One picture of a dead Syrian baby is going to do a huge amount of damage.
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Post by Moose on Dec 3, 2015 21:02:03 GMT
Didn't know you subscribed to Isis's magazines!
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Post by juju on Dec 3, 2015 21:06:50 GMT
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Post by Moose on Dec 3, 2015 21:12:19 GMT
ah right
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Post by tangent on Dec 3, 2015 21:15:12 GMT
Sorry, I deleted my post about a 3-year old's photo in an ISIS magazine because the post was illogical. It's true, they had a picture of the 3-year-old but it was in connection with fleeing refugees rather than dead Syrians from bombing attacks.
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Post by juju on Dec 3, 2015 21:45:38 GMT
I don't think it really matters where the photo comes from - the fact is they will use such things.
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Post by tangent on Dec 4, 2015 1:10:36 GMT
Yes, that's true.
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Post by Shake on Dec 4, 2015 3:34:32 GMT
I think juju left off the 'sarcasm' tags in the OP.
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Post by juju on Dec 4, 2015 10:23:00 GMT
I think juju left off the 'sarcasm' tags in the OP. I was beginning to wonder if people had taken me literally! Unfortunately I don't have emoticons on here if I'm using my phone, except for the most basic.
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Post by Moose on Dec 7, 2015 20:38:57 GMT
No, I knew what she meant - we'd had much the same conversation on facebook
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Post by spaceflower on Dec 8, 2015 19:08:42 GMT
They are bombing ISIS (I hope), not Syria in random.
What else should they do? Letting the caliphate spread? I think bombing ISIS is the only solution. They are not willing to negotiate and compromise. You have to fight ISIS or submit.
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Post by JoeP on Dec 9, 2015 11:38:45 GMT
But it's a game of whack-a-mole. Or worse. Each time we bomb a target and kill civilians or damage schools or hospitals etc - if that's where the ISIS targets are, or we get it wrong - we create more radicals. Either recruits to ISIS or people who will set up future groups.
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Post by spaceflower on Dec 10, 2015 2:50:06 GMT
Yes, it seems we can't win. But we can't give in to them either.
How do we prevent muslims in the westerns societies from being "radicalized" and wanting to fight for ISIS?
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Post by Yuki on Dec 10, 2015 5:42:23 GMT
How do we prevent muslims in the westerns societies from being "radicalized" and wanting to fight for ISIS? I think I made some suggestions in the other thread.
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Post by JoeP on Dec 10, 2015 9:41:26 GMT
Give them good jobs. Give their kids good educations. Especially, give their school-leavers opportunities and hope.
Exactly the same as society should do for white Christians.
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Post by ProdigalAlan on Dec 10, 2015 15:11:29 GMT
The 7/7 bombers all had good jobs, one was a teacher. The Glasgow airport bomber was a doctor.
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Post by Yuki on Dec 10, 2015 17:59:15 GMT
Give them good jobs. Give their kids good educations. Especially, give their school-leavers opportunities and hope. Exactly the same as society should do for white Christians.What do you mean here by "good education"? Many people who joined terrorist organizations arguably had "good education" and definitely had stable well-paid jobs, or the opportunity to have one. "Hope" is also a relative concept. Suicide bombers and Jihadists also have hope... to contribute in the establishment of a caliphate, and when they die, to be admitted into Heaven and get 72 virgins. Of course, poverty and ignorance do contribute to terrorism in many cases, but they don't explain the phenomenon of Jihadism very well. I think the articles posted by Juju and myself in the other thread give a more detailed picture.
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Post by Moose on Dec 10, 2015 18:19:46 GMT
I think though that bombing them is just going to make moderates more angry. There was a story in the paper the other day about a Muslim who campaigns for anti radicalism being chucked off a plane cos the other passengers did not want him there. That sort of thing can make even the most mild mannered person rather pissed off I'd think.
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Post by JoeP on Dec 10, 2015 19:20:24 GMT
I think the articles posted by Juju and myself in the other thread give a more detailed picture. It's literally impossible that anyone else could have given more detail than I did!
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Post by JoeP on Dec 10, 2015 19:21:45 GMT
By education I didn't the narrow kind of education that ends up with doctors and lawyers. I was thinking more of integration, critical thinking, being exposed to other points of view, etc.
The kind of education that may not be available to many people at all in Britain. And that definitely would help American right-wing rednecks.
The point about hope was in response to that video you posted in the other thread, and the education and integration I'm talking about is in response to the lack of any challenges to the fundamentalist thinking.
I'm looking at what can be done to dry up the source of recruits. I don't think anything can be done to tame those already committed to fundamentalism, or make them consider rationality or Western values.
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Post by JoeP on Dec 10, 2015 19:23:41 GMT
Also, I'm not saying these things are going to prevent any radicalisation. Other factors apply as well.
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Post by Moose on Dec 11, 2015 0:26:00 GMT
The Right Wing media - and Donald Trump - have a huge amount to answer for though. I mean imagine being told that you're not welcome in a country because of your creed, or colour, or religion or lack thereof? Imagine being constantly told that you're evil, or potentially destructive, or that nobody wants you around. Trump et al help create a problem and then entirely distance themselves from it.
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