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Post by juju on Oct 2, 2016 19:58:30 GMT
How is the media playing this one? What kind of reaction has there been?
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Post by Moose on Oct 2, 2016 20:12:20 GMT
I read an article earlier saying that it's believed he hasn't paid any for twenty years. Even if he's used a legal loophole, which I presume that he has, that is simply appalling. It's the whole 'taxes are for little people' mentality. Some poor struggling mom who works a forty hour week in walmart has to pay tax. A multi billionaire does not. And there are people who agree that he is 'smart' for it.
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Post by JoeP on Oct 2, 2016 21:32:13 GMT
So there's another demographic he's alienated (unless they are too stupid to realise).
Mexicans, gays, women, many more groups; and now taxpayers.
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Post by juju on Oct 2, 2016 21:50:57 GMT
Thing is though, from what I've read a lot of people admire him for getting away with it. They believe he's just exploiting the loopholes that the political classes have created - and they blame Clinton and her ilk for that. I even read comments from those who claim that Trump will be the one to reform the system and close the loopholes, to which I had to ask 'why he would want to do that?' You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to believe he'd want to do away with what has so greatly benefited him. But then a special kind of stupid is what they are...
What's the media in the US saying?
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Post by tangent on Oct 2, 2016 23:38:37 GMT
CNN is critical, Fox News thinks he's a genius.
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Post by Moose on Oct 3, 2016 18:47:42 GMT
Yeah someone posted on my wall that taxes were government 'stealing' anyway. I don't get that mentality at all but a lot of libertarians buy it
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 16, 2016 23:13:21 GMT
The taxes thing didn't change anything.
His base thinks that cheating on taxes is expected and admire him for doing it so well. Not that many of his supporters made enough to pay taxes in the first place.
The whole sexual predator thing has a bigger outfall than his taxes. What amazes me is that it is so...October surprise. This was all information pretty much available and known before he started his run in the Reptilian primaries. He was in print lauding Jeffrey Epstein, the proprietor of the 'Lolita Express'. His bio has him dragging his first wife around the apartment by her hair in a rage over his hair gone bad....the man is a moral cesspit and a loose cannon who should be nowhere near any center of power or influence. He is on tape with these outrageous statements and when confronted with them does even dumber things; the Democrats just let him condemn himself with his own insincerity and then skewer it with confirmations of exactly what Trump himself had said.
So...Who is left in the Trump column?
Really...That's a serious question. Has Henry Kissinger endorsed Hillary yet? I mean, the rats were abandoning the sinking torched dumpster set adrift on the river.
Dawg, I hope this really wipes it clean down ballot. That people will be so disgusted that they vote against who is there now. I doubt it will happen anything like my fantasies. I dread this election. Probably even more than the theft of 2000.
I think everybody needs to take a careful look as to who, in positions of influence in the United States (and abroad) is aligned with Trump at this point. Even Ryan has been alienated....that's pretty Tea Partyish in my book.
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Post by tangent on Oct 17, 2016 7:46:34 GMT
Dawg, I hope this really wipes it clean down ballot. That people will be so disgusted that they vote against who is there now. I doubt it will happen anything like my fantasies. Huffpost's opinion poll tracking chart suggests the groping video has affected only 1% of the population. That is, one percent of the population have switched from Trump to Clinton. It's not a lot. elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton-vs-johnson
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 17, 2016 12:26:07 GMT
Um...I would not accept Huffpost as any kind of definitive source.
And it is "only 1% of the population" it seems to be a set of a lot of fairly loud, influential Republican ideologues.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 17, 2016 12:30:42 GMT
In other news, I got my Voter's Pamphlet from the state this past weekend. I'm still waiting for my ballot.
Soon....very soon....this will all be over.
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Post by tangent on Oct 17, 2016 12:32:18 GMT
Those 'fairly loud, influential Republican ideologues' are making a lot of noise but not affecting voters very much. Um...I would not accept Huffpost as any kind of definitive source. Why not?
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 17, 2016 12:37:00 GMT
Those 'fairly loud, influential Republican ideologues' are making a lot of noise but not affecting voters very much. Um...I would not accept Huffpost as any kind of definitive source. Why not? Because polls are always misleading in that they are biased by the designers. Huffpost is not a particularly unbiased source of reporting.
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Post by Kye on Oct 17, 2016 12:44:32 GMT
Honestly, I often turn to Aljazeera for news of the US.
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Post by tangent on Oct 17, 2016 13:09:02 GMT
Because polls are always misleading in that they are biased by the designers. Huffpost is not a particularly unbiased source of reporting. Yes, I know, but they aren't conducting the polls, they're combining other people's polls, so they aren't imparting any bias.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 17, 2016 16:01:02 GMT
So...In preparation for the post-electoral basking in the comforting twilight of no more political ads, enjoying our post-balloting doobie...I think we need to think about how many people may have been infected with Electorally Transmitted Disorders, like Trumpidia, during the recent orgy of insanity that passed as an election.
I guess we'll get a look when we see how many GOP, TeaParty, and, in particular, 'Freedumb Kakas' Congresscritters were returned to office.
I'm hoping that 'supporting Trump' will be transformed in to a 'badge of Shame and Disgust' forced upon each such supporter who remains in office anywhere at all.
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Post by tangent on Oct 17, 2016 16:06:28 GMT
Post electoral basking? It's a bit early for that, we've still got three weeks to go. Sorry, you've got three weeks to go. Our electoral basking will go on for ever.
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Post by JoeP on Oct 17, 2016 17:47:40 GMT
So...In preparation for the post-electoral basking in the comforting twilight of no more political ads, enjoying our post-balloting doobie...I think we need to think about how many people may have been infected with Electorally Transmitted Disorders, like Trumpidia, during the recent orgy of insanity that passed as an election. I guess we'll get a look when we see how many GOP, TeaParty, and, in particular, 'Freedumb Kakas' Congresscritters were returned to office. I'm hoping that 'supporting Trump' will be transformed in to a 'badge of Shame and Disgust' forced upon each such supporter who remains in office anywhere at all. I think you know not much of this will happen. Most of the voters and many of the office holders are immune to seeing reason or having empathy with others or changing their minds in any way. Probably the best we can hope for (and even this is unlikely) is that the Republican party shifts, or starts a shift, back towards the centre (back towards what I understand were its values anyway) and the Teabaggers and white racist constituencies splinter off into some other party.
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Post by Moose on Oct 17, 2016 19:30:16 GMT
Either way I think the negative implications are going to last for a long time. I just hope it doesn't spiral into violence.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 18, 2016 2:27:06 GMT
So...In preparation for the post-electoral basking in the comforting twilight of no more political ads, enjoying our post-balloting doobie...I think we need to think about how many people may have been infected with Electorally Transmitted Disorders, like Trumpidia, during the recent orgy of insanity that passed as an election. I guess we'll get a look when we see how many GOP, TeaParty, and, in particular, 'Freedumb Kakas' Congresscritters were returned to office. I'm hoping that 'supporting Trump' will be transformed in to a 'badge of Shame and Disgust' forced upon each such supporter who remains in office anywhere at all. I think you know not much of this will happen. Most of the voters and many of the office holders are immune to seeing reason or having empathy with others or changing their minds in any way. Probably the best we can hope for (and even this is unlikely) is that the Republican party shifts, or starts a shift, back towards the centre (back towards what I understand were its values anyway) and the Teabaggers and white racist constituencies splinter off into some other party. Not much of what will happen? I did not say that the Republican Party will disappear from the face of the earth....I don't expect it to. I do expect some kind of schism and I expect it to be as fully nasty, vengeful, and recriminatory as any jealous divorce. Part of that will be because mainline GOP types who were offended at the shabby Trump will blame the Trumpettes for whatever losses the party registered in the elections. Democrats will point and laugh. I think that some version of it may well come to pass. If the GOP fractures, that is all to the good. They will scrabble between each other for the same base which won't ever support Democratic candidates and those Democratic challenger candidates can come to elections with a more unified, and clearer, majority, or at least a cohesive plurality. Even moderate Republicans working with a Democratic plurality could easily overwhelm the TeaParty zealots and diminish the effect of the 'Freedumb Kakas' in the House. At this point, Speaker of the House Ryan, who has been pandering to the TeaParty whackjobs, is now worried that a shift in the Senate will give Bernie Sanders chairmanship of the Senate Budget Committee. Shifting the House and the legislatures of many states will be a bigger project which takes much longer...smearing with Trump-juice as a condemnation is just fine with me. Besides, my original statement merely suggested that we will have to wait and see what the actual outcome really is....which I stand upon.
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Post by JoeP on Oct 18, 2016 9:24:09 GMT
Not much of this:
I'm not disagreeing that it would be a good thing, and we can hope for it ... I just don't hope very much.
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Post by tangent on Oct 30, 2016 9:18:52 GMT
I have an American friend who lives in the UK who says that she has just voted, "with much frustration, sadness, and utter despair....." I think that must mean she's a reluctant Republican. I'm not going to ask her because I don't want to challenge her but it shows how deeply entrenched political allegiances are. Trump could shoot a man in the street in cold blood and people would still vote for him.
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Post by Shake on Nov 4, 2016 15:26:34 GMT
From what I understand, he took a nearly $1B loss some years ago and that may have allowed him to exploit an opportunity to not pay taxes for 18-20 years.
My thoughts are that he's unwilling to release his tax returns for this reason, as well as the fact that it may show a) he's not as rich as he claims, and b) he's had more troubles along the way which he doesn't want going public.
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Post by Moose on Nov 4, 2016 19:49:11 GMT
He might also not have made as many donations to charity as he would fondly have us believe.
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Post by whollygoats on Nov 5, 2016 4:36:04 GMT
I think it will just reveal that he is a fraud. Whatever it is, he's a fraud.
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