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Mar 6, 2022 0:00:04 GMT
Post by Moose on Mar 6, 2022 0:00:04 GMT
Is that true? They'll all be there  .
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Mar 6, 2022 2:09:10 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Mar 6, 2022 2:09:10 GMT
Is that true? They'll all be there  . It seems to be. I don't know what other stipulations come with the offer. I'd guess that anybody that takes the offer cannot return to Russia. That's a pretty high bar. But, I'm also betting that there is no counter offer from the Russian Army.
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Mar 6, 2022 22:44:44 GMT
Post by Moose on Mar 6, 2022 22:44:44 GMT
I bet they'd go after soldier's families though
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Mar 6, 2022 23:56:53 GMT
Post by tangent on Mar 6, 2022 23:56:53 GMT
It would seem grass-roots activists within the Republican Party are paying scant attention to the war in Ukraine. They have much more important matters to attend to, such as the mid-term elections in November. This BBC article reports on last week's Conservative Political Action Conference that was held in Florida from 24 to 27 April. "Some of the top Republican officeholders in the party didn't mention Ukraine at all in their speeches," says the BBC.
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Mar 7, 2022 1:41:16 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Mar 7, 2022 1:41:16 GMT
Does this surprise you? You do know that the clown in orange makeup practically swooned over the genius of Putin? Russian television was showing Tucker Carlson, chief talking head for the MAGAts, waxing submissive to Russian dominance as the troops rolled in to Ukraine.
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Mar 7, 2022 10:58:18 GMT
Post by JoeP on Mar 7, 2022 10:58:18 GMT
Exactly. These activists are (or were until sanctions?) significantly funded by Russia, and they know it. Just like Trump himself, and, lest we forget, Boris and the Conservative Party.
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Mar 7, 2022 13:43:42 GMT
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Post by juju2 on Mar 7, 2022 13:43:42 GMT
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Mar 7, 2022 13:59:23 GMT
Post by JoeP on Mar 7, 2022 13:59:23 GMT
He's a very smart genius.
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Mar 7, 2022 17:30:35 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Mar 7, 2022 17:30:35 GMT
I bet they'd go after soldier's families though Casualties of war, y'know. Lost and missing, presumably with sunflower seeds in his pockets. Once this becomes known, all a Russian soldier would need is a a set of civilian clothes in their kit bags as they roll across the border. Find a Ukrainian soldier, surrender, mention keyword, collect cash, shuffle to opposite border and disappear into wider Europe. Ukraine officials collect military tags and report as casualty. I'm assuming that 'asylum' means 'outside of Ukraine, as well as Russia'.
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Mar 9, 2022 5:12:36 GMT
Post by kingedmund on Mar 9, 2022 5:12:36 GMT
What an idea! Funny. Would it work?
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Mar 9, 2022 19:30:29 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Mar 9, 2022 19:30:29 GMT
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 9, 2022 19:39:39 GMT
Although I'm sure that I am deep in the envelope of Ukraine propaganda, I still find the odd war story to be fascinating, and suspect. Like the recent story of a Ukrainian woman who, while preparing food in her upper story apartment, spied a drone outside her window. She was reported to have hefted a jar of pickled cucumbers at the drone, downing the drone in the street. Initially dismissing the story as propaganda, some journalist tracked down the woman, who averred that the story, as presented, was not true. That's because the jar was not pickled cucumbers, but pickled tomatoes. Humorist Stephen Colbert used this to deliver two separate sets of derogatory putdowns of Russian efforts...an initial punchline, and a revised punchline.
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Mar 23, 2022 22:14:43 GMT
Post by kingedmund on Mar 23, 2022 22:14:43 GMT
True.
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Mar 24, 2022 23:42:35 GMT
Post by Moose on Mar 24, 2022 23:42:35 GMT
Ah yes I heard the tomatoes one
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Mar 25, 2022 1:54:01 GMT
Post by Kye on Mar 25, 2022 1:54:01 GMT
There's a worshiping group that shares our church whose members all speak Russian as a common language, but are a mix of Slavic people --including Ukrainian and Russian. Their minister was talking to me this morning about how hard it is to deal with the stress of the present situation. He himself is Ukrainian, but his daughter is married to a Russian and lives in St Petersburg. He was telling me about the complicated history of the Soviet Union and its aftermath. It's difficult for him to reconcile the spiritual Christian message in the face the political power plays going on. I can't imagine... 
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Mar 25, 2022 11:29:10 GMT
Post by tangent on Mar 25, 2022 11:29:10 GMT
We have a church friend whose daughter-in-law's parents live in Russia. Her mother is Russian but her father comes from Ukraine. She has tried to tell her parents what is really going on in Ukraine but they simply do not believe her. "Our government would never do such a thing," they say. It is horrible.
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Post by Kye on Mar 25, 2022 12:02:26 GMT
There's a huge Russian propaganda machine working with other outside voices being silenced. Of course the other side does the same thing, but the Russians are on a whole new level. No one wants to believe their leaders are capable of atrocities, but it happens all the time.
In Canada, my own Anglican Church tore children away from their parents, cut them off from their language and traditions, tortured them until they died and then buried them secretly in unmarked graves. No one wanted to believe that either.
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Mar 25, 2022 19:42:22 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Mar 25, 2022 19:42:22 GMT
In Canada, my own Anglican Church tore children away from their parents, cut them off from their language and traditions, tortured them until they died and then buried them secretly in unmarked graves. No one wanted to believe that either. I did not realize that the Anglican Church was also implicated. I'd heard of the complicity of the Roman Catholic church.
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Mar 25, 2022 19:50:15 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Mar 25, 2022 19:50:15 GMT
So...I'm not sure whether you are aware of the tentative exchange of Polish MiG-29 fighter jets as a gift to Ukraine. 28 aircraft were offered and were considered useful because they were the same fighters that the Ukrainian pilots had trained on. The Poles were planning on replacing them with brand spanking new US-made F-16 Vipers, anyway. But, the US stepped in and decided it would not be wise, as it could be considered a lethal provocation. There were murmurs about shuffling from Polish control to US control to....unspecified. Then the US publicly quashed the whole idea. This is what I expected to subsequently transpire: Hijack the Angry Birds!I cannot atest as to the veracity of the source. This is all I've seen and it seems to have been downplayed on official sources here.
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Mar 25, 2022 20:18:35 GMT
Post by tangent on Mar 25, 2022 20:18:35 GMT
In Canada, my own Anglican Church tore children away from their parents, cut them off from their language and traditions, tortured them until they died and then buried them secretly in unmarked graves. No one wanted to believe that either. I did not realize that the Anglican Church was also implicated. I'd heard of the complicity of the Roman Catholic church. I understand that all organisations involving children - churches, scouts, youth clubs, holiday clubs, children's care homes, approved schools etc - have been implicated in the abuse of children. It has been said that churches are/were safer organisations than non-church ones, although I don't have a reference for that.
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Post by Kye on Mar 25, 2022 20:25:52 GMT
I'm mainly talking about the Residential Schools that were active in Canada until 1996. HERE is an overview.
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Mar 26, 2022 17:14:38 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Mar 26, 2022 17:14:38 GMT
I did not realize that the Anglican Church was also implicated. I'd heard of the complicity of the Roman Catholic church. I understand that all organisations involving children - churches, scouts, youth clubs, holiday clubs, children's care homes, approved schools etc - have been implicated in the abuse of children. It has been said that churches are/were safer organisations than non-church ones, although I don't have a reference for that. Where likely victims congregate, there will their tormentors also congregate. I personally doubt your claim that church organizations were 'safer' than non-religious organizations. Religious organizations provide better cover for the abusers. Plus, non-religious organizations don't tend to adopt superior attitudes and plump themselves as morally outstanding and 'safe'. I think that makes religious organizations involved in child abuse all the more heinous. Church organizations which knowingly cover for the abusers and act to protect the tormentors are particularly repellent. What is also abhorrent is that these religious organizations then have the gall to think that their particular brand of moronic doctrine ought to be that held by everyone else...and act to make that possibility a reality. Note here....In my youth, I engaged in scouting. Boy Scouts, starting as a Cub Scout. And, yes, this international organization also got its dick in a wringer over sexual abuse of scouts by their adult scoutleaders. The thing is, many, if not most, of the scout troops organized in my community were sponsored by some church. Thus, what we got often had Christian nationalist overtones. It's what you get with militaristic adult leadership (practically all were military veterans) provided under the auspices of a Christian church 'sponsorship'. I tired of all the brownshirt paramilitary claptrap by age 15 and bolted the Boy Scouts without ever having made First Class. I never experienced, nor witnessed, any abuse in scouting; I just tired of all the uniforms, standing at attention, saluting, and hypocrisy ad nauseum.
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Apr 4, 2022 15:55:43 GMT
Post by kingedmund on Apr 4, 2022 15:55:43 GMT
Well. Just tuned in to see what was going on in Ukrainian. The pictures of torchered and dead lining streets. No way to make that up.
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Apr 4, 2022 23:05:09 GMT
Post by Moose on Apr 4, 2022 23:05:09 GMT
It is completely appalling. I really, really hope that Putin's days are numbered but none of this can be undone.
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Apr 4, 2022 23:48:28 GMT
Post by kingedmund on Apr 4, 2022 23:48:28 GMT
I fear his days are not numbered anytime soon. I can easily see him winning very soon as he pulls out bigger weapons. Then I can see him looking at other countries Baltic’s, Finland, parts of Poland . He does not like the west ans once he rebuilds his network we are next. He’s got nothing to lose.
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Apr 5, 2022 0:20:54 GMT
Post by Moose on Apr 5, 2022 0:20:54 GMT
I wonder. I suspect the Russian public opinion might be turning against him, as they see their sons being killed.
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Apr 5, 2022 0:44:20 GMT
Post by kingedmund on Apr 5, 2022 0:44:20 GMT
Maybe. But look at Hitler. Fear and control. I sure wished we had the ability to sneak in news and pictures to the Russian people by the masses without Putin’s minions being able to stop it.
What about these soldiers that come in and are doing this? I don’t know what makes a soldier do this.
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Apr 5, 2022 4:10:51 GMT
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Post by tangent on Apr 5, 2022 4:10:51 GMT
What about these soldiers that come in and are doing this? I don’t know what makes a soldier do this. From time immemorial, undisciplined soldiers have always behaved appallingly.
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Apr 5, 2022 13:37:53 GMT
Post by whollygoats on Apr 5, 2022 13:37:53 GMT
I sure wished we had the ability to sneak in news and pictures to the Russian people by the masses without Putin’s minions being able to stop it. We do. And, we have since 1949. It is called Radio Free Europe, or Radio Liberty. It is still there. So...That's another class you slept through, huh?
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Apr 5, 2022 15:20:59 GMT
Post by Kye on Apr 5, 2022 15:20:59 GMT
Hmm! I didn't know about that... do you think Russians actually listen to it?
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