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Post by Moose on Sept 8, 2022 22:51:48 GMT
I am not a fan of monarchy in general and actually would like to see it abolished now but I have nothing against the Queen really and would not like to live the live that she had (yes luxury but nothing 'normal' about it). Am just watching the inevitable saturation coverage.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 8, 2022 23:05:51 GMT
I commented elsewhere regarding this incident. Lizardbreath Two had indeed checked out. From my distant perspective, she did a decent enough job. Mind you, she ascended to the throne the year I was born. I fault the British voter more than I do the royalty, or the aristocracy, for that matter, for shattered British governance. A twit is just a twit until you elect them to high office. Then, they become insufferable twats.
So, I see that some sources are already mentioning "King Chuck Three". I thought that he would have a choice over which regnal name he wished everyone to adopt, as he was not required to hew to the 'Charles' moniker, which doesn't have the best cachet amongst British royalty (a headless tyrant and a rake with really bad genes and relatives with bad metaphysics). Could he opt for, say, the first ever 'King Logan'?
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Post by Moose on Sept 8, 2022 23:10:52 GMT
King Kanye?
I had always believed he wanted to be another George but yeah, the press are calling him Charles III
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Post by Moose on Sept 8, 2022 23:39:30 GMT
Apparently he could have used any of his names - Charles Philip Arthur George - but they have confirmed Charles. Suppose he does not think that there is any point in changing it now.
King Arthur would have been cool.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 9, 2022 4:50:35 GMT
See, now...
If Charles and Dianna were still together, at a point like this we could toast:
"UP CHUCK AND DI!"
"Up Chuck and Camilla" just doesn't have the same ring.
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Post by Moose on Sept 9, 2022 22:53:00 GMT
LOL
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Post by juju on Sept 12, 2022 10:33:11 GMT
Whatever your feelings regarding royalty (and mine are mostly neutral), reading about the Queen's dislike for Thatcher got me thinking of the importance of her purpose: she was a neutral but symbolic figurehead to which all elected figures were answerable, if only by public opinion. Think of the furore that was caused by Boris Johnson lying to her. And it's also well known that Thatcher was really upset to discover the Queen privately thought her policies callous. In other words the Queen was an intangible check and balance system for our elected leaders. Yes, we could easily have elected a Trump in this country, and still could, but the Queen was symbolically there as a measure, a yardstick against which the likes of Trump's (and Johnson's) moral flaws are highlighted, thus preventing megalomania - despite having no political power, in the public eye she was always the highest 'authority'. Will Charles be the same? No, I don't think so. He's too 'human', he does not have that almost mythical aura, so I predict that at some point the monarchy's function will be questioned. We shall see.
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Post by tangent on Sept 12, 2022 21:04:29 GMT
King Arthur would have been cool. Would he have been King Arthur or King Arthur II? |
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Post by Moose on Sept 13, 2022 2:20:56 GMT
I wondered that - I am not sure how mythical Arthur is considered to be
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Post by Moose on Sept 13, 2022 2:22:04 GMT
*waves to Juju*
Re Charles, the PR machines are already well out in force, taking advantage of public sympathy and trying to make him out to be wonderful. Whether that will last - I do not know.
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Post by tangent on Sept 13, 2022 4:58:39 GMT
YouGov contributors have the usual quota of royalty haters and yet despite that a surprisingly large percentage believe King Charles will make a good king. I can't remember the figures but I got the impression nearly everyone who is in favour of royalty thinks he will be a good king or are not sure (as opposed to the royalty haters who think he will be a bad king). YouGov contributors are normally remarkably polarised in their views.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 13, 2022 15:51:37 GMT
I think 'royalty haters' generally refer to themselves as 'republicans'. As versus 'royalists'. I suppose 'roundheads' might be apposite...
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Post by Moose on Sept 13, 2022 23:56:58 GMT
I hate to use the word Republican in case people mistake me for the US version.
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 16, 2022 4:57:18 GMT
RE: The crown is not political. Benign disinterest is the position of the crown. Then, there is this commentary: www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9WiDNp8-YE(It seems that it is not a hyperlink. You have to copy and paste it in to your browser window.) |
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Post by Moose on Sept 17, 2022 1:12:18 GMT
They are not ostensibly political but I bet you anything that they all vote Tory - except the Queen who is a) dead and b) not allowed to vote
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 17, 2022 1:24:53 GMT
I hate to use the word Republican in case people mistake me for the US version. Heh...Amongst USers, the term is relatively benign. My understanding of its usage in Europe, and particularly in the UK, is that 'republican' carries darker and more sinister meanings. |
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Post by Moose on Sept 17, 2022 1:52:25 GMT
It just means wants to not have a monarchy  At least here in the UK - not sure what it means on the continent. |
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Post by whollygoats on Sept 17, 2022 2:36:48 GMT
I understood that many Britons, when faced with the term 'republican', tend to think of the Irish Republican Army and the 'Troubled Times' and the bombings.
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Post by Moose on Sept 17, 2022 2:52:05 GMT
I don't personally though I can't speak for all Brits. That would not have occurred to me though.
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Post by tangent on Sept 17, 2022 16:00:30 GMT
I've not heard the word Republican mean anything in particular.
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Post by JoeP on Sept 17, 2022 21:17:36 GMT
Er yes, I would say 90% of the time it means opposed to having a monarchy in general. Not specifically Irish republicanism or the IRA.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 7, 2022 23:09:21 GMT
So, how many other topics flow into conversation about 'republicanism' in the UK? Do folks chat about Midlands republicans, or Western republics and their republicans? Do the Scots separatists smack of republicanism, or will they likely continue with a crown? I didn't realize that there was such a widespread interest and ongoing open conversation about ridding the country of the royals. Like I said, I'd expect most Brits to think of the IRA when the topic of 'republicanism' is raised. After all, it is right in the name.
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Post by Moose on Oct 7, 2022 23:39:35 GMT
I was wondering the other day whether the Scots will keep the throne if - when - they break away. I wouldn't, personally.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 8, 2022 0:17:09 GMT
Balmoral would make a top line B&B.
It'd be a great place to host republican gatherings. Conventions and conference, y'know?
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Post by tangent on Oct 8, 2022 6:53:29 GMT
Balmoral would make a top line B&B. It'd be a great place to host republican gatherings. Conventions and conference, y'know? Or else a conference centre for business men. One of the Queen's unused residences have been used for management courses in the past. |
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Post by Moose on Oct 9, 2022 1:09:08 GMT
I think Charlie has plans to turn it into a museum
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Post by tangent on Oct 10, 2022 8:35:29 GMT
I think Charlie has plans to turn it into a museum How boring  |
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Post by Moose on Oct 11, 2022 0:03:26 GMT
Well I am sure it will be a moneyspinner for him .. after all, we ARE living in austere times and I am sure he is struggling with the bills.
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Post by kingedmund on Oct 11, 2022 2:41:46 GMT
He hates the way the Crown on Netflix series is coming up because it shows him and his wife in a bad light. If that is correct or hearsay I have no clue. He might try to sue for money. Bottom line…… You cheated and she is a home wrecker. Deal with it. 😆
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Post by Moose on Oct 12, 2022 0:24:09 GMT
She cheated too. I don't think things are ever as black and white as all that. I found Diana rather manipulative frankly but obviously I did not know her personally.
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At least here in the UK - not sure what it means on the continent. 
