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Post by Moose on Jul 18, 2024 22:06:23 GMT
I don't know if this is just speculation - possibly - but our media are predicting that Biden will use the Covid diagnosis as a reason to stand down 'within days.' Good thing? Bad thing? Indifferent thing? Totally untrue thing?
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Post by tangent on Jul 18, 2024 23:12:20 GMT
The BBC hasn't hinted at that but I thought it myself. Maybe they have tried to lead us to believe that by juxtaposing his Covid illness with his statement that he would stand down if he had a major illness.
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Post by Moose on Jul 18, 2024 23:54:33 GMT
Possibly just pride standing in the way now as he was so adamant that he wouldn't stand down unless his doctors told him to or God intervened.
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Post by Wholly Goats on Jul 20, 2024 15:41:04 GMT
*facepalm*
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Post by Moose on Jul 20, 2024 23:56:11 GMT
Well hasn't happened yet so perhaps it WAS just press speculation. It's not always easy to tell when they are coming from a place of knowledge.
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Post by Wholly Goats on Jul 21, 2024 18:17:28 GMT
Oh, the story goes on here, too.
I sit and twiddle my fingers. Impatiently.
This is bullshit, as I've already explained. They think they can switch horses in the middle of a stream and it is a better bet than going with the incumbent?
Did they forget the lesson of Thomas Eagleton?
That whole debacle helped put the final touches on the exceptional McGovern loss and is still a matter of shame for the Democratic Party. That they basically want to repeat that dumbfounds me.
*deep sigh*
I don't think I'm a shallow enough analyst.
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Post by Wholly Goats on Jul 21, 2024 18:41:40 GMT
Well...a friend tells me that NPR is announcing that Joe is stepping down and endorsing Kamala.
This should make the Democratic Convention, in Chicago, IIRC, will be a humdinger. We'll find out where all the fat heads in the Democratic Party are...
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Post by JoeP on Jul 21, 2024 19:10:17 GMT
Oh yes, things have just got (even) more interesting.
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Post by tangent on Jul 21, 2024 20:00:28 GMT
At 7pm this evening, UK time, the BBC told us that Biden was standing down.
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Post by Moose on Jul 21, 2024 21:32:34 GMT
He took his own sweet time about it.
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Post by Wholly Goats on Jul 22, 2024 2:22:50 GMT
He took his own sweet time about it. Well, when your opponent is obviously more cognitively impaired than you are, but you're more physically fragile, it can be frustrating. And, Biden is sane.
Oh, and not a felon.
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Post by Moose on Jul 22, 2024 4:54:18 GMT
Yeah but Trump would never stand down - he could not get off his ego. For the good of the US and indeed the rest of the world I think that Niden should not have stood for reelection in the first place. Now please, US, get someone in there that people will really get behind because I don't want to see another Trump Presidency. What the fuck he might do with situations like Ukraine and Israel is something I do not really want to think about. Threatening to nuke people...?
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Post by Moose on Jul 22, 2024 4:58:25 GMT
(Just to add, I am acquainted with one or two people - no on my friend list anymore - who genuinely believe that Trump was sent by God to bring about the end of the world.
How the fuck do you respond to such people?
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Post by juju on Jul 22, 2024 6:43:25 GMT
(Just to add, I am acquainted with one or two people - no on my friend list anymore - who genuinely believe that Trump was sent by God to bring about the end of the world. That's quite scary, as Trump has shown himself to be a fantasist. And - at the risk of seeming ageist - should he be elected he'll be older than Biden is now by the end of his tenure and is clearly not all there already, so who knows what weird ideas might take hold?
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Post by Wholly Goats on Jul 24, 2024 0:17:46 GMT
(Just to add, I am acquainted with one or two people - no on my friend list anymore - who genuinely believe that Trump was sent by God to bring about the end of the world. That's quite scary, as Trump has shown himself to be a fantasist. And - at the risk of seeming ageist - should he be elected he'll be older than Biden is now by the end of his tenure and is clearly not all there already, so who knows what weird ideas might take hold? Trump is now the oldest person to ever run for president. Maybe he should step down?
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Post by Moose on Jul 24, 2024 2:44:51 GMT
Would that he would
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Post by ceptimus on Jul 25, 2024 2:10:08 GMT
There should be age limits. Maybe 'must be 25 or older and 65 or younger on January 1st of the election year.' The limit would also apply to sitting presidents wanting to run for a second term, so would discourage a party from standing a candidate older than 61 for a first term.
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Post by Wholly Goats on Jul 25, 2024 3:59:51 GMT
There should be age limits. Maybe 'must be 25 or older and 65 or younger on January 1st of the election year.' The limit would also apply to sitting presidents wanting to run for a second term, so would discourage a party from standing a candidate older than 61 for a first term. I believe it is constitutionally set, so changing it would be a major PITA. Major.
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Post by Wholly Goats on Jul 25, 2024 4:04:55 GMT
Well.... With the change, I have to admit, I like the way they are headed.
I was wrong.
Joe stepping down was the right thing. It seems to have galvanized a LOT of people. Manchin's move was ignored. The Swifties have been inserted thanks to Vance.
And...While we're about it, can we see JD Vance's birth certificate? What's the deal with that?
And...Why does Vance where eyeliner? Is the Republican ticket a couple of clowns in makeup?
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Post by Wholly Goats on Jul 25, 2024 5:27:01 GMT
I just saw some footage of Harris boasting.
Great stuff. She's bragging about how uniquely prepared she is to face an opponent like the former guy.
She's "coming out swingin'".
According to reports, she has tied up all the delegates she needs going in to the convention to sew up the nomination. So, now everybody is speculating about vice-presidential candidates. Vetting is happening. If all this is true, and she's bagged more than $126 million in donations, many first time donors, in three days, well, she's hot to trot.
The attitude of the public was reflected in the monologue by Stephen Colbert this evening. Upbeat. Positive. Energetic. Pugnacious.
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Post by tangent on Jul 25, 2024 6:14:34 GMT
I've been pleasantly surprised at Harris' energy and, probably, her readiness to accept the leadership race. I'm sure she could see it coming.
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Post by JoeP on Jul 25, 2024 6:35:31 GMT
The Democratic party may not be very good at working together, but I'm sure Biden and Harris were in close communication and planned this in some detail.
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Post by Moose on Jul 25, 2024 23:55:01 GMT
I dunno Joe - he seemed fairly determined that he was going to cling in there.
But yes, this seems to be going well .. and never underestimate the youth vote, the female vote and the people of colour vote ... get them motivated and they will be a huge presence.
On the other hand, we have a Veep candidate who says that all democrats are miserable childless crazy cat ladies. Way to alienate a LOT of people.... even some Republican women are childless and love cats.
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Post by tangent on Jul 26, 2024 11:40:21 GMT
I dunno Joe - he seemed fairly determined that he was going to cling in there. Maybe so but I'm sure Harris could see the writing on the wall. Or maybe Biden was waiting for Trump to pick a useless VP before standing down.
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Post by Wholly Goats on Jul 30, 2024 17:35:29 GMT
I dunno Joe - he seemed fairly determined that he was going to cling in there. Maybe so but I'm sure Harris could see the writing on the wall. Or maybe Biden was waiting for Trump to pick a useless VP before standing down. This has been postulated. "Dark Brandon" strikes again. There are rumblings that Vance needs to be replaced. But, as Beau pointed out, Trump is not one to admit he made a mistake. And... That Trump won't debate Harris because she's not the 'official nominee'. Well, he debated Joe and neither were 'official nominees', so he's prevaricating. Typical. Keep in mind that Trump is full of shite. All the time.
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