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Post by Moose on Jan 10, 2013 17:53:37 GMT
I bought a cooked chicken for Col's dinner in Morrison's earlier. This was from a stand which advertised cooked chickens at 4.50. Next to the stand was a hot stand selling them at 5.50. I asked what the difference was and was told that, if the food is sold hot, you have to pay extra. Oddly tho, the one I BOUGHT was still pretty warm, it just wasn't sitting on a hot plate.
Is this the so-called pasty tax everyone was going on about a while ago?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 18:54:30 GMT
What is a pasty-tax?
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Post by Moose on Jan 10, 2013 19:29:54 GMT
basically it means a tax on hot food to take out. Or rather, food that is cooked on a premises and then kept warm. So, if you buy a pasty which has been baked on the premises but then left on a shelf to cool, you do not pay the tax, even if it was just put on the shelf twenty seconds ago and is still piping hot. If you buy a pasty cooked on the premises and left on a heated plate, you pay the tax. Bloody stupid.
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Post by Kye on Jan 10, 2013 19:40:05 GMT
The only pasties I've ever heard about are on the boobies of strippers...
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Post by Miisa on Jan 10, 2013 19:48:13 GMT
I am guessing not, a £1 price hike is a bit much for just a tax difference. I suspect the hot ones sell better and if they don't get sold when hot they are sold off cheaper after they are past their most desirable and cooled off. There is only so long they can keep them hot safely.
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Post by Moose on Jan 10, 2013 19:58:59 GMT
no it definitely is the tax thing, I asked the lady on the deli counter
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Post by Miisa on Jan 10, 2013 20:02:45 GMT
A pound in tax? That is an extra 25% or something?
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Post by Moose on Jan 10, 2013 20:36:35 GMT
apparently
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 21:25:06 GMT
That's a lot!
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Post by bill on Jan 10, 2013 22:21:34 GMT
Well, standard VAT is 20% so the total cost should have been £5.40.
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Post by tangent on Jan 11, 2013 0:17:58 GMT
In 1950, it was very simple. Good, honest working men bought their joints of beef, potatoes and vegetables at the grocer's shop and their wives cooked them at home, whilst the toffs ate their food in restaurants in full view of their workforce. Some government or other - I forget which - decided that said toffs should pay VAT on their food at 17.5%, as it was then, whilst the good, honest workers should pay zero tax on their food because they were the backbone of society. Fish and Chip shops were a bit of an anomoly because the good, honest workers used to buy their fish and chips hot and eat them at home. But they weren't eating them on the premises and wouldn't be able to sneer through the window at workers who couldn't afford fish and chips, so they avoided paying VAT. The pasty tax aimed to make this more equitable so that it didn't matter whether you sat in the window at the Fish and Chip shop and sneered at your fellow workers or took your fish and chips home. You still had to pay VAT. It's called the pasty tax because 'fish and chip tax' would be too emotive and because more pasties are sold than fish and chips.
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 11, 2013 2:20:49 GMT
The only pasties I've ever heard about are on the boobies of strippers... To the everlasting amusement of North Americans travelling in southern England. Although they are spelled the same, the two terms have differing pronunciations. The ones on stripper tips are 'pay-stees', while the West Country empanadas are 'past-ees'.
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Post by Shake on Jan 11, 2013 5:36:27 GMT
The only pasties I've ever heard about are on the boobies of strippers... Yeah, and I can't imagine why they'd tax those!
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Post by Alvamiga on Jan 11, 2013 12:14:11 GMT
I found that out by accident one day. I had to check websites for ages to ensure I'd not made a mistake!
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Post by Alvamiga on Jan 11, 2013 12:30:31 GMT
The main problem was that the government tried to introduce such a massive hike overnight on a product bought by a particular demographic. I already think that the kind of stuff that Greggs sells (including pasties) is too expensive, let alone smacking 20% on top. The most horrific thing that happened after were the main political parties trying to look like they were "ordinary people" and going into pastie shops to buy some (in front of the massed press). They made total fools of themselves, not even knowing who or where to pay. It was hideously cringeworthy but, being so out of touch, they don't seem to realise how artificial it looked. The ultimate fail was David Cameron telling his pastie story, which sounded like he was reading copy in the first place and then (surprise, surprise) turning out to be a total fabrication as the shop he had been "reminiscing" about had closed many years previously to when he had claimed to have gone there. This is the kind of B$ that would have had him evicted under my regime!
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Post by Moose on Jan 11, 2013 17:09:45 GMT
Yeah didn't he claim he'd just had a pasty from that particular shop on that very day and then someone pointed out that he had closed years ago?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 10:52:26 GMT
That's embarrassing!
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Post by Miisa on Jan 12, 2013 11:03:32 GMT
I try to avoid yellow foodstuffs. Not always successfully, but a general rule of thumb. Corn/maize may be collateral damage.
I had to google "pasty" and the image search nearly depleted my monitor's yellow reserves.
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Post by tangent on Jan 12, 2013 11:26:43 GMT
I found that out by accident one day. I had to check websites for ages to ensure I'd not made a mistake! It's safe to google 'pasty' but not 'pasties'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 14:03:05 GMT
Depending on which state you're it, there are similar oddities in the US. Most states don't charge sales tax on food, except for prepared foods. So you can buy a quart of smoked pulled pork in a supermarket, no tax, but get the same pork in a restaurant on a platter or roll to eat in or take out, pay the tax.
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Post by Miisa on Jan 12, 2013 14:52:41 GMT
So wait, is it so that there is no tax on other food in the UK?
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Post by Alvamiga on Jan 12, 2013 15:32:27 GMT
Food in a supermarket or such is VAT free, but food in restaurants and so on is treated as a service and so VAT is charged as it is treated more as a luxury than a necessity. An interesting anomaly is shops such as the 99p Shop, where VAT is charged on the non-food items, but not on the other items, but all the prices are still 99p.
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Post by Miisa on Jan 12, 2013 18:58:54 GMT
Ah, that explains quite a bit. Here food is at 14% (general VAT is 24%).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 10:07:27 GMT
I think it's similar here as well.
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Post by Alvamiga on Jan 13, 2013 22:05:06 GMT
Ah, that explains quite a bit. Here food is at 14% (general VAT is 24%). Blimey! There was outrage here when it went up from 17.5% to 20%! 24% seems very high!
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Post by tangent on Jan 13, 2013 23:26:41 GMT
And food at 14% is very high too.
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Post by Miisa on Jan 14, 2013 6:26:26 GMT
The general one here was 23% last year, and the food one at 13%, they went up at the New Year. The one for books went from 9% to 10%.
But for me it explains why foodstuffs are so cheap in England.
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Jan 14, 2013 8:59:53 GMT
With the cunning finesse of the UK civil service at its finest (with collaboration with their colleagues in Brussel) food is not free of VAT in the UK ... it is rated at 0%.
This is what the lawyers call a distinction without a difference and will charge you VAT at the full rate for the information.
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Post by Miisa on Jan 14, 2013 9:25:06 GMT
We also have both categories, things like exported stuff is at 0% and schooling, funerals, lottery wins and for some reason fees of performing artists are completely exempt. Maybe it is legally easier for the lawmakers to raise the percentage of the 0% category if needed than to change the status of a category altogether?
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Post by ceptimus on Jan 14, 2013 13:17:46 GMT
As well as the standard (20%) and zero rated (0%) VAT rates in the UK, there is a third, 'reduced rate', currently 5%, that is charged on energy (gas, electricity, heating oil), children's car seats, tampons, electric wheelchairs for the elderly and a few other categories.
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