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Covid-19
Dec 23, 2020 15:15:25 GMT
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Post by tangent on Dec 23, 2020 15:15:25 GMT
I certainly hope you haven't caught it.
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Post by Kye on Dec 23, 2020 15:29:59 GMT
Me too! I should find out today
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Post by whollygoats on Dec 23, 2020 22:31:47 GMT
If it's been two weeks, I would think that it would have manifested by now. But then, I'm a poor source on symptomology...
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 12, 2021 18:52:08 GMT
Well, the announcement is that my cohort (general populace, 65+) is in the queue for inoculation.
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Post by Kye on Jan 12, 2021 19:26:05 GMT
You're so lucky! I won't be getting mine until April probably.
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 13, 2021 0:02:47 GMT
I may not get mine until then, either.
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Post by tangent on Jan 13, 2021 9:19:56 GMT
Crumbs, I hope you get it earlier than that. At the current vaccination rate in the UK, I should get my first jab during the first two weeks of February.
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 13, 2021 16:37:06 GMT
To be honest, I'm not in a hurry. I'm not an early adopter; I figure that by waiting until more folks are jabbed, I increase the trial base significantly.
I still have yet to see any actual empirical evidence that the vaccine protects (vaccinated subjects have been exposed and no infections resulted). But, all that takes time.
I also keep hearing murmurings that the vaccine is somehow 'short-lived'; that at a certain, as yet determined point in time, the vaccinated is no longer immune. (Which, interestingly enough, sounds like JUST the thing the pharmacological manufacturers are looking for...perpetual required 'boosters'.)
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Covid-19
Jan 15, 2021 13:16:32 GMT
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Post by Mari on Jan 15, 2021 13:16:32 GMT
Our turn won't be until September, but to me there's no difference in getting inoculated now or then with regards to observing possible side effects. The vaccines have been tested short term. It's the long term I'm more worried about.
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Covid-19
Jan 18, 2021 11:03:30 GMT
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Post by Elis on Jan 18, 2021 11:03:30 GMT
We have no idea when we will be offered inoculation. So far, not even all the over 90 year Olds have received it. I am concerned about possible side effects, but don't see a point in even making a decision right now since we have no idea when we will even get the chance to have it. That is when we will decide.
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Post by tangent on Jan 18, 2021 13:52:40 GMT
I also keep hearing murmurings that the vaccine is somehow 'short-lived'; that at a certain, as yet determined point in time, the vaccinated is no longer immune. There are reports that it lasts at least six months (the longest anyone had been vaccinated at the time of the report) but the Covid-19 virus is very similar to the SARS virus and the SARS vaccine immunity lasts at least 17 years.
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 18, 2021 14:21:55 GMT
I also keep hearing murmurings that the vaccine is somehow 'short-lived'; that at a certain, as yet determined point in time, the vaccinated is no longer immune. There are reports that it lasts at least six months (the longest anyone had been vaccinated at the time of the report) but the Covid-19 virus is very similar to the SARS virus and the SARS vaccine immunity lasts at least 17 years. So, you're intimating that there has been empirical testing of inoculated people against a live viral specimen? Could you post or direct me to that evidence?
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Post by Kye on Jan 18, 2021 14:59:22 GMT
I thought the vaccine didn't protect you from getting it altogether, but just made sure you had a mild case if you did get it. But I may be wrong --willing to be corrected.
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 18, 2021 16:15:29 GMT
I've not heard such. I've not heard anything, for that matter, regarding the actual effectiveness of the vaccine.
I read one article about a gent who'd done the vaccine and follow-up and the recommended period after, and still developed symptoms. Of course, they will tell you that the vaccine is only 95% effective, so this gent, and all those who actually develop symptoms after inoculation are just the unfortunate 5%. Is anyone actually keeping track?
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 18, 2021 17:46:44 GMT
So...I'll have to admit that I'm a little behind the ball on Covid. My attention has been elsewhere.
So, you Brits have mutated another variety for us? Or, was it the French, from whom you got it? From what I've seen, it is being described as "more contagious" than the original blend. I'm not sure what that means. You folks are experiencing uncomfortable propinquity with this new monster, so I thought you might know. Can you clue me in?
The federal administration botched the whole roll-out of actual vaccinations and right now we are smack in the midst of SNAFU. Like I intimated with my earlier post, the announcement of one's cohort being included guarantees zip. But, of course, they promise that the OV, if obtained, will work on all subsequent mutuational variations. It seems a mite over-confident.
And so the world turns.
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 18, 2021 17:48:49 GMT
I just stocked up on vitamin D3.
What's the word on the street regarding zinc, any way?
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Post by tangent on Jan 18, 2021 17:51:53 GMT
There are reports that it lasts at least six months (the longest anyone had been vaccinated at the time of the report) but the Covid-19 virus is very similar to the SARS virus and the SARS vaccine immunity lasts at least 17 years. So, you're intimating that there has been empirical testing of inoculated people against a live viral specimen? Could you post or direct me to that evidence? The information I have comes from the first two minutes of this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3kQoyCCLmYAs always, Dr Campbell's comments are backed up by scientific reports, which he quotes in the notes. This report is about immunity from reinfection and not about the vaccine immunity, as I had remembered, but Dr Campbell comments on the relevance to vaccine immunity from 17:00 onwards.
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Post by tangent on Jan 18, 2021 18:02:56 GMT
I just stocked up on vitamin D3. What's the word on the street regarding zinc, any way? Vitamin D3, yes; zinc, maybe. See the first two minutes of this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIvRR_y5i-k
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Post by tangent on Jan 18, 2021 18:08:49 GMT
So, you Brits have mutated another variety for us? Or, was it the French, from whom you got it? From what I've seen, it is being described as "more contagious" than the original blend. I'm not sure what that means. You folks are experiencing uncomfortable propinquity with this new monster, so I thought you might know. Can you clue me in? The new variant (in the UK) is the difference between a quiet Christmas and all hell breaking loose. "This new variant will be the pandemic in the UK from now on." The first two minutes of this video sums up what we know about the new variant: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW7A-6H_qNkLet me clarify what I mean by "all hell breaking loose". This new variant caused an explosion of cases during the two weeks after Christmas (doubling in some areas every week) and healthcare staff are extremely worried about the healthcare system breaking down. From their point of view, all hell has broken loose but the general public sees this as more severe restrictions and a full lockdown.
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Post by tangent on Jan 18, 2021 18:13:58 GMT
I thought the vaccine didn't protect you from getting it altogether, but just made sure you had a mild case if you did get it. Yes, IIRC the BBC has said this a number of times. Even just one dose of either vaccine (Pfizer or OV) makes sure you don't get anything but a mild illness after just one shot, which is why Public Health England is delaying the second shot for ten weeks (to ensure as many people as possible get protection from serious illness).
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Post by whollygoats on Jan 19, 2021 0:03:56 GMT
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Covid-19
Jan 19, 2021 9:17:49 GMT
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Post by Elis on Jan 19, 2021 9:17:49 GMT
Germany's Lockdown is likely to get more severe, they're going to make decisions today. It doesn't help that in the end, each state gets to make their own rules anyway. In Bremen they kept schools open and let parents decide if their kids should go to school, but the senator for education in Bremen actually asked parents to take their children to school, claiming she would take responsibility. No idea how she would do that, but teachers are absolutely not happy with that. At this rate, we're going to be in a Lockdown till Easter.
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Post by tangent on Jan 19, 2021 11:30:53 GMT
Lockdown is tough if you live in a flat, I know it's difficult for you.
My main fear is that people will start to relax and ignore the rules once they have been vaccinated, leading to a great increase in cases.
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Covid-19
Jan 26, 2021 10:40:42 GMT
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Post by Mari on Jan 26, 2021 10:40:42 GMT
Our lockdown hopefully ends on February 9th, but at the moment we have an evening clock from 9 pm to 5 am and people are rioting because of it. It's insane. How on earth did fighting the virus together turn into fighting the police and destroying shops, public transport and even hospitals together?!
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Post by JoeP on Jan 26, 2021 10:58:14 GMT
People are ridiculous.
I suppose some of them have genuine long-term grievances, such as governments not doing anything about social inequality. And some of them have been brainwashed by agitators - not even necessarily targeting Europe. But mostly they are ridiculous.
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Post by tangent on Jan 26, 2021 15:24:57 GMT
It's very sad to see the rioting. And what does the NL government do about it? The daily coronavirus case rate is 40 per 100,000, which is quite a lot higher than the EU average so you have to take harsh measures to bring it down.
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Covid-19
Feb 1, 2021 9:25:21 GMT
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Post by Elis on Feb 1, 2021 9:25:21 GMT
Here in Germany people are getting tired of the way the government is dealing with thi gs. We started with a "Lockdown light" at the beginning of November and have been in a proper Lockdown since December 16th, for now till February 14th,but it will probably be longer. Schools are still open, so teachers have to teach the pupils there and the ones online simultaneously. Homeoffice is now strongly recommended. I'm still not sure that is enough and never thought I would say this, but I think a really severe Lockdown of 4 to 6 weeks may have been better than what we have been experiencing since November. Theaters, museums, music as well as restaurants, bars etc will probably be pretty much dead once this is over.
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Post by tangent on Feb 1, 2021 10:30:49 GMT
Melbourne had a very severe lockdown for three months and ended up with no community transmitted cases. But they are part of an island and can control their borders very tightly. Germany can't. Even if you have a tight lockdown, visitors from other countries will bring in new cases.
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Covid-19
Feb 3, 2021 7:45:18 GMT
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Post by Mari on Feb 3, 2021 7:45:18 GMT
Good news here: kindergarten and primary schools are to open again starting next week. Hurray!
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Post by tangent on Feb 3, 2021 12:50:39 GMT
It'll give you welcome relief, I'm sure.
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