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Post by Mari on Apr 16, 2013 15:51:01 GMT
Are you kidding? It's awesome! I get to give them a big fat F and there is no possible way for them to argue their way out of it, not even with their parents, even though some try.
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Post by Mari on Apr 16, 2013 15:52:45 GMT
Also, if they do a really botched up job of passing it off as their own (like the kid I told you about in Countdown) you get to laugh really loud and long right in their faces. Those are the moments I live for as a teacher
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 16:33:36 GMT
I gave 3 students an F today for their book reports. Seriously people, write them yourselves! >_< Or at least adapt it in such a way my suspicion doesn't immediately get aroused... *sigh* One of my private pupils once used to Google translator for a translation homework!
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Post by madmadeline on Apr 16, 2013 17:07:01 GMT
There should be more teachers like you, Mari
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Post by tangent on Apr 16, 2013 19:12:18 GMT
*sigh* One of my private pupils once used to Google translator for a translation homework! That would have been an improvement on my own translation
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Post by Mari on Apr 16, 2013 21:21:36 GMT
I gave 3 students an F today for their book reports. Seriously people, write them yourselves! >_< Or at least adapt it in such a way my suspicion doesn't immediately get aroused... *sigh* One of my private pupils once used to Google translator for a translation homework! Hehe, yeah, I get that a lot. And then they wonder how I figured it out...
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Post by tangent on Apr 17, 2013 0:40:13 GMT
Let's hope Google doesn't improve its translation capabilities.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 5:23:58 GMT
Let's hope Google doesn't improve its translation capabilities. I don't see the danger of that happening anytime soon!
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Post by Mari on Apr 17, 2013 8:09:26 GMT
Me neither. Translating words and using minor grammatical algorithms is one thing (and they have improved since the early days where they would translate every word separately), but understanding context and adapting the translation to that and translating difficult grammatical constructions is too much for it. Besides, even if Google Translate was perfect, the students aren't, so you can pick out words from their own text you know they didn't look up and ask them what they mean. If they can't re-translate their own text, they obviously didn't do it themselves.
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Post by Alvamiga on Apr 17, 2013 8:15:04 GMT
It's not just translation these days. A lot of schools have had trouble with kids copying work off the Internet. Fortunately, many are stupid enough to copy it verbatim from Wikipedia! Ultimately, it's the difference between using the Internet to help and expecting it to do the whole job for you.
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Post by Alvamiga on Apr 17, 2013 8:17:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 8:50:33 GMT
A few German politicians have been found to have plagiarized.
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Post by Mari on Apr 17, 2013 15:20:57 GMT
It's not just translation these days. A lot of schools have had trouble with kids copying work off the Internet. Fortunately, many are stupid enough to copy it verbatim from Wikipedia! Ultimately, it's the difference between using the Internet to help and expecting it to do the whole job for you. I caught 6 of them again today. *sigh* It takes a long time to correct work like this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 15:29:39 GMT
Wow, mari, I didn't know that many pupils are that dumb!
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Post by Mari on Apr 17, 2013 15:51:35 GMT
Not dumb, lazy. It's easier to read a book in Dutch or copy a summary from the Internet than do it yourself. At least they turned it in. Some didn't even bother to do that. They'll get in a lot of trouble next year though, when they need to read real literature and write book reports which grades are part of their final exams.
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Post by Yuki on Apr 17, 2013 16:10:42 GMT
It's not just translation these days. A lot of schools have had trouble with kids copying work off the Internet. Fortunately, many are stupid enough to copy it verbatim from Wikipedia! Ultimately, it's the difference between using the Internet to help and expecting it to do the whole job for you. I caught 6 of them again today. *sigh* It takes a long time to correct work like this. You can use a plagiarism software ( link) if you want to catch more.. (If you're not doing that already)
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Post by Moose on Apr 17, 2013 16:38:18 GMT
Greg hi! How are you?
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Post by Alvamiga on Apr 17, 2013 18:24:56 GMT
It's not just translation these days. A lot of schools have had trouble with kids copying work off the Internet. Fortunately, many are stupid enough to copy it verbatim from Wikipedia! Ultimately, it's the difference between using the Internet to help and expecting it to do the whole job for you. I caught 6 of them again today. *sigh* It takes a long time to correct work like this. You should mark it once and then blatantly photocopy it for the others!
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Post by tangent on Apr 17, 2013 18:29:03 GMT
I caught 6 of them again today. *sigh* It takes a long time to correct work like this. Why does it take a long time? Do you not just write "do not use Google translate" and give them an F?
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Post by Alvamiga on Apr 17, 2013 18:37:14 GMT
Get a rubber stamp made!
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Post by madmadeline on Apr 17, 2013 18:38:57 GMT
It could read "the 'F' is for stupid!"
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Post by Alvamiga on Apr 17, 2013 18:43:51 GMT
"There's no 'F' in stupid, but you're F-in stupid"
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Post by Yuki on Apr 17, 2013 18:44:08 GMT
Hi Moosey! Doing okay.. busy most of the time.. you?
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Post by Moose on Apr 17, 2013 18:53:46 GMT
oh you know Not a brilliant few months but am struggling by
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Post by Mari on Apr 17, 2013 19:08:44 GMT
I caught 6 of them again today. *sigh* It takes a long time to correct work like this. You can use a plagiarism software ( link) if you want to catch more.. (If you're not doing that already) That would be nice, but my students hand them in on paper.
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Post by Mari on Apr 17, 2013 19:11:23 GMT
I caught 6 of them again today. *sigh* It takes a long time to correct work like this. Why does it take a long time? Do you not just write "do not use Google translate" and give them an F? It takes time because you need proof they used internet, watched the film or read the book in Dutch. You can't just say 'hey, your summary is great! Your English isn't supposed to be that good, F!'... Keep in mind that it's not enough to catch students at it, you need enough proof to show parents that may show up in protest that their beloved kid cheated.
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Post by Yuki on Apr 17, 2013 21:39:45 GMT
You can use a plagiarism software ( link) if you want to catch more.. (If you're not doing that already) That would be nice, but my students hand them in on paper. mm... paper => scan (image) => OCR (Covert image to text) => plagiarism software It would be easier if the homework is typed, not handwritten, but advanced (usually paid) OCR software programs can recognize handwriting as well with an acceptable success rate.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Apr 18, 2013 8:11:50 GMT
When do they have to start typing assignments? I remember already by year 11 and 12 it was expected we would type out our assignments and you could be graded lower for presentation if you did not type it out. Of course this was for the more major pieces of work, not so much for general homework. But a book report or something like that, would have been typed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 13:14:50 GMT
We hardly had to type anything in school, except for our one seminar paper.
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Post by Alvamiga on Apr 18, 2013 18:54:25 GMT
The only thing we ever typed at school was for computer programming lessons. Around the time I left school, they were starting to obsess with using the computers for anything, with no real justification for it.
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