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Post by Moose on Sept 19, 2022 2:38:35 GMT
Tomorrow is the last possible chance you have to say goodbye to the Que ... Queue.
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Post by tangent on Sept 19, 2022 6:31:51 GMT
Tomorrow is today and I saw the last two people file past the coffin in Westminster Hall at 6:31am, one minute behind schedule.
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Post by JoeP on Sept 19, 2022 8:18:37 GMT
The Queue is dead. Long live The Queue.
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Post by kingedmund on Sept 19, 2022 16:59:11 GMT
That’s interesting. Is it over? I guess this is Monday.
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Post by tangent on Sept 20, 2022 8:51:59 GMT
It's over, yes. Back to worrying about the economy, the cost of living and the war and slating the government.
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Post by kingedmund on Sept 20, 2022 15:39:17 GMT
And and and and. 😂
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 2, 2022 0:30:21 GMT
Move along.
Nothing to see here.
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Post by Moose on Oct 2, 2022 0:51:48 GMT
She took the UK economy with her.
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Post by JoeP on Oct 2, 2022 6:30:05 GMT
Liz Truss killed the queen, and then the British economy. What's next?
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Post by Moose on Oct 2, 2022 23:38:19 GMT
It occurred to me a cpl days ago that ironically, people will still recognise Liz Truss a thousand years from now because she was the last person to be photographed with the Queen. Otherwise she'd be back in obscurity six months from now.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 3, 2022 2:39:14 GMT
Can you trust Truss, or is she just another makeshift tool to hold your guts in?
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Post by Moose on Oct 3, 2022 23:24:15 GMT
haha. She's appallingly bad and that's saying something.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 4, 2022 3:42:38 GMT
I'm assuming that the reason the Tories keep getting re-elected is the same as why Republicans keep getting re-elected here.
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Post by tangent on Oct 4, 2022 6:52:16 GMT
No, there are significant differences. Conservative-leaning members of the public are driven not by the ideology of the evangelical church nor by anti-abortion beliefs, they vote Conservative because they believe the Conservatives will give them more money in their pockets. Like the US, the majority of voters vote Conservative because their parents did and they have always done so but there aren't the fanatical factions that you see in the US. Only 0.3% of the general public are registered as members of the Conservative Party compared with 24% of Republicans in the States.
I believe the reason the Conservatives keep getting reelected is because the Labour Party is a spent force and has lost its ideological purpose. It is financed by the unions who (mostly) dictate the ideology and have a huge say in who becomes the Labour Party leader. But the ideological purpose of the Labour Party is vastly different from when it was first created in 1922. Working conditions and company law have changed so dramatically that, for the most part, workers don't need a union. We have four week's paid leave each year and paid maternity and paternity leave, and the boss cannot sack you on the spot if he doesn't like you. None of that was true in 1922. There are sexual harassment laws that stop you flirting with a colleague if she doesn't like you and anti-discrimination laws. Contracts are mandatory and an industrial tribunal can force a company to rehire a worker without any cost to the worker. (Not all of this is true in many small firms or the financial districts in London but it does force companies to be reasonable.) With all of these changes, fought for largely by the Labour Party since World War II, there is very little reason to vote Labour apart from ones cultural heritage. So when a Jeremy Corbyn comes along, voters flee the Labour Party in droves.
Don't get me wrong, the majority of voters do not like the Conservative Party and do not vote for them. Typically, only 40% of voters do. The remainder vote for Labour, Liberal Democrats, the Green Party, Scottish Nationalists, Welsh Nationalists and the Monster Raving Loony Party. It's only because we have a first-past-the-post voting system that the Conservatives stay in power for so long.
OK, rant over.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 4, 2022 14:41:25 GMT
Heh...So, you think that now that you have perquisites that you have come to enjoy thanks to the labor movement, you can just piss on the movement and cut your tithes to the system what got you there?
Fecking typical ingrate.
Just wait 'til the Tories take it away.
It looks like a typical divide and rule as a plurality, buttressed by a lot specious nonsense as political promises which will never be met. I've watched Brit politics all my life and I have a much, much lower opinion of Tories than you demonstrate. What you have is a full-blown shitshow and the Labour Party is not complicit at all. Nor is Jeremy Corbyn. You have the lot in Westminster and Whitehall to thank for that...Tory shitheads. Yet, my bet is you'll re-elect them yet again. I'm beginning to suspect the water is tainted with lead.
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Post by tangent on Oct 6, 2022 7:06:59 GMT
You're assuming an awful lot that isn't true. So, you think that now that you have perquisites that you have come to enjoy thanks to the labor movement, you can just piss on the movement and cut your tithes to the system what got you there? I've never had any ties to the Labour movement. Nor have I any ties to the Conservatives. I hate the Conservatives. What are you talking about? I've watched Brit politics all my life and I have a much, much lower opinion of Tories than you demonstrate. I have not demonstrated a single opinion of the Tories. Come on, I know you're flaming mad at British politics but look at what I said and don't make assumptions. Just wait 'til the Tories take it away. There's not a cat in hell's chance the Tories will take away the gains that I was talking about in my earlier post. If there were even a hint that Conservatives wanted to remove employment contracts, holiday pay, maternity leave, sexual harassment laws etc there would be an outcry and Tory voters would flock back to Labour. On the contrary, earlier this week numerous Conservative MPs have fought to retain benefits that Liz Truss wants to water down. Even government ministers* They know which side their bread is buttered. This isn't the US. You say you've watched Brit politics all your life but I think your mindset is still on US politics and how the US behaves. The Tories do not keep getting re-elected in the same way that Republicans keep getting re-elected. There are some similarities but there are mostly huge differences. * From today's i newspaper, front page: Cabinet rebellion growing: Ministers pressuring PM to reverse plans for real terms squeeze on universal credit and other benefits |
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 7, 2022 1:02:00 GMT
You certainly spout nonsense like a Tory. You even act as their apologist here. I think they are indefensible, while you leap to their defense. Every damned time.
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...you even talk smack like a duck. So, party membership or not, you are a Tory. Prolly a 'Crypto-Tory'.
*Unsaid in newspaper, front page:
Cabinet rebellion growing: Will it make a difference? Not fucking likely.
How many 'cabinet rebellions' is this Tory government on now? Four? It has not once made any difference whatsoever. How long will the British public put up with the shit the Tories shovel out?
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Post by Moose on Oct 7, 2022 1:02:07 GMT
The main thing that I have always observed when speaking with American Republicans is how much they are motivated by fundamental Christianity. That is not really a Thing here and even where it is it is not tied in with politics. I have met people who genuinely believe that it is morally wrong to vote for the Democrats.
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Post by Moose on Oct 7, 2022 1:04:01 GMT
In response to Goat - not much longer, I suspect. If there was an election tomorrow, the Tories would be absolutely out. The trouble is, there does not have to be an election for quite a long time and people have short memories.
And - where is Steve defending Tories? I have known him long enough to know that he absolutely loathe them. He is just pointing out that they are not the same as Republicans in many respects.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 7, 2022 1:14:42 GMT
Moose, this, spouted by tangent in this thread, might as well be Tory propaganda:
"I believe the reason the Conservatives keep getting reelected is because the Labour Party is a spent force and has lost its ideological purpose. It is financed by the unions who (mostly) dictate the ideology and have a huge say in who becomes the Labour Party leader. But the ideological purpose of the Labour Party is vastly different from when it was first created in 1922. Working conditions and company law have changed so dramatically that, for the most part, workers don't need a union. We have four week's paid leave each year and paid maternity and paternity leave, and the boss cannot sack you on the spot if he doesn't like you. None of that was true in 1922. There are sexual harassment laws that stop you flirting with a colleague if she doesn't like you and anti-discrimination laws. Contracts are mandatory and an industrial tribunal can force a company to rehire a worker without any cost to the worker. (Not all of this is true in many small firms or the financial districts in London but it does force companies to be reasonable.) With all of these changes, fought for largely by the Labour Party since World War II, there is very little reason to vote Labour apart from ones cultural heritage. So when a Jeremy Corbyn comes along, voters flee the Labour Party in droves."
If you don't believe that those hard-fought gains can be taken away, just turn your heads to the US and watch what is happening.
I'm sorry, but the elite have been forging a class war against all others in British society for centuries. Now, they've got the working class ministering their own lashes and washing it down with salt and vinegar for good measure. I believe tangent is part and parcel of that class war as a tool and stooge of the Tories.
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 7, 2022 1:25:20 GMT
I repeat: How many 'cabinet rebellions' has this Tory 'government' had and what difference have they made?
From my perspective, it's not made a scintilla of difference. Squat.
The voting British public has swallowed this bullshit again, and again, and again. They keep voting these absolute clowns into office and spouting mindless bullshit like tangent.
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Post by Moose on Oct 7, 2022 1:31:05 GMT
Well okay, I disagree that we don't need unions - I think that they are a necessary part of a civilised society. As to Tory rebellions - I have lost count. The thing is that a lot of the British public do NOT agree with it but, like Democrats under Trump, what can we do other than wait for it all to come crashing down and hope that there are not too many casualities?
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 7, 2022 1:45:43 GMT
Well okay, I disagree that we don't need unions - I think that they are a necessary part of a civilised society. As to Tory rebellions - I have lost count. The thing is that a lot of the British public do NOT agree with it but, like Democrats under Trump, what can we do other than wait for it all to come crashing down and hope that there are not too many casualities? Well, don't do the Tories' brainwashing for them, like tangent is. Being a complete tool like that is just...well, disgusting. You should avert your gaze when somebody is debasing themselves like that. It does seem to me that that British voting public had the opportunity to vote these twats out of office not too long back (what, only three PMs?), yet they decided to return the Tories to power while slandering the leadership of the leading opposition power. The British public swallowed the shite whole. At this point, I have more faith in the US voting public than I do the British voting public, and that ain't much. |
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Post by Moose on Oct 7, 2022 1:47:45 GMT
Or .. could just talk about it?
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 7, 2022 1:56:15 GMT
Or .. could just talk about it? It does not seem to have any discernible effect. |
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Post by Moose on Oct 7, 2022 2:20:21 GMT
You mean, he does not automatically agree with you?
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 7, 2022 12:12:04 GMT
No, I mean talking about it has no discernible effect. It changes nothing and therefore is pointless.
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Post by Moose on Oct 7, 2022 23:06:14 GMT
Back to Matteson sausage then  |
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Post by whollygoats on Oct 7, 2022 23:11:57 GMT
Hey!
Learning about sausages is, far and away, a much better and more noble undertaking that even allowing the term 'Tory' to roll across ones tongue.
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Post by Moose on Oct 7, 2022 23:28:32 GMT
This Matteson's stuff will keep till well into 2023 apparently. Not what one could call fresh but it IS tasty. Smokey.
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