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Post by charliebrown on Apr 2, 2013 16:49:11 GMT
Jo, I think the vicar is the one we met. I remember he was kind of roundish  |
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Post by Moose on Apr 2, 2013 16:51:50 GMT
hehe yes rather round |
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Apr 4, 2013 21:09:51 GMT
Heh there was a charge for the church here I am not sure how much it was tho, I think it might have been included in the undertakers fees. There is a statutory fee that will have been included in the undertaker's fees, it should have been itemised. I have bought my funeral plan and given clear indications for the funeral and the requiem mass, including the music (I want into the West as the final music at the funeral, it says all that need to be said). *puts professional hat on* I really would urge everyone to buy a plan as soon as possible, they work on in insurance basis, you pay the present day price but the undertaker gets paid at the rates applying at the time of your demise. Giving clear instructions to the undertaker is the kindest thing that you can possibly do for your family. UK readers: if there is a choice go to one of the big chains - the Co-Op or Dignity - little local practices can be nice but there is no guarantee that they will still be in business when the time comes. These days your little local practice may well turn out to have been bought out by Dignity ... |
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Apr 4, 2013 21:13:45 GMT
I am not sure if it's the vicar himself who gets the fees or the church The fee is the property of the Diocesan Board of Finance (for an Anglican funeral) and is used to support the ministry costs across your locality. It is an ecclesiastical offence for stipendiary ministers to attempt to retain the fee. Contrariwise, Non-stipendiary ministers are allowed to reclaim a portion of the fee as compensation for their time voluntarily given - but most NSMs regard it as a point of honour to decline the fee as being contrary to their vocation. |
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Apr 4, 2013 21:23:30 GMT
My dad was not a member of a church and yet the vicar never even asked. It's pretty much the done thing here to have a C of E funeral. English law is different to almost everywhere else: as a parishioner of Moosehampton he had the Common Law right to be interred in the assigned burial place of the parish. Custom, practice and a few court decisions have gradually extended those rights. Your parson could have declined to officiate but would then have had to agree an Anglican substitute. Almost the same as English marriage law. |
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Apr 4, 2013 21:31:43 GMT
A slightly bigger wig among the clergy. Usually someone is canon-ized if they've done something useful in the diocese and the bishop wants to give them an honour. My friend Joyce is a Canon. If FrG were here, he could explain it better, I'm sure. You called? The college of canons of an English diocese have the absolute legal right to elect the diocesan bishop; the title is given to senior clergy, either because they have a strategic role or because they are good at being parish priests. The absolute legal rite is slightly modified by it being a treasonable offence to vote for anyone other than the person nominated by the Crown ... but that's alright because the Crown Nominations Commission includes representatives of the vacant diocese and the other bishops, so the name that goes forward is one that has been agreed by the diocesan representatives. Gordon Brown changed the rules so that the Prime Minister cannot change the advice from the CNC but just delivers the name (and a reserve) to the Queen who is required by the non-existent constitution to choose the first name on the list. Simple eh! In Mordor - like all non-English provinces - we just have an ordinary election with all the usual spitefulness and backbiting that goes with such things. |
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Post by Kye on Apr 4, 2013 21:46:26 GMT
Very different from what we do here. I wasn't ordained when our Bishop was elected, but I'm sure all the clergy had a vote.
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Post by Moose on Apr 4, 2013 23:26:50 GMT
Father G, the vicar actually recommended the local undertaker to us .. tho he said he only did so cos he knew my mum already and he was not meant to. They were really very good tho... apparently they have just won some award for 'best disposal of dead people' or something like that.
my dad's insurance policy came to about fifteen hundred pounds less than the actual funeral total, before trimmings.
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Apr 5, 2013 18:30:12 GMT
Very different from what we do here. I wasn't ordained when our Bishop was elected, but I'm sure all the clergy had a vote. And +Barry seems a decent enough chap as an outcome ... one day you must meet +Mhint ... from a safe distance ... |
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Apr 5, 2013 18:32:36 GMT
my dad's insurance policy came to about fifteen hundred pounds less than the actual funeral total, before trimmings. Ah there's the rub - the trimmings - 'Will you be wanting wheels on the hearse for an extra thousand Schuls, then?' |
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Post by Moose on Apr 5, 2013 18:37:49 GMT
we tried to keep the trimmings to a minimum but we felt that there had to be family flowers at least and a wake . |
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Post by Moose on Apr 5, 2013 18:38:40 GMT
Steve was collecting for a local charity btw if you were interested (okay that's totally shameless but hey, it's a good cause  ). Funeral director told me yesterday that they'll be taking donations for another cpl weeks ogley.eu/memoriam.htm |
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Apr 6, 2013 8:56:37 GMT
we tried to keep the trimmings to a minimum but we felt that there had to be family flowers at least and a wake . Absolutely right ... a good wake is the beginning of healing for the bereavement ... |
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Post by Moose on Apr 6, 2013 12:41:23 GMT
We had the wake at a local hotel. Food wasn't great frankly but I don't think anyone was there for the food |
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Post by Alvamiga on Apr 6, 2013 12:49:03 GMT
But... there was little triangular sandwiches!!!  |
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Post by Moose on Apr 6, 2013 23:50:02 GMT
most of them were egg mayo tho
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Apr 7, 2013 12:34:33 GMT
No cucumber?
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). Funeral director told me yesterday that they'll be taking donations for another cpl weeks
