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Post by tangent on Mar 17, 2013 22:04:34 GMT
That sounds a lot better, I'm pleased for you RB.
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Post by Shake on Mar 19, 2013 3:12:40 GMT
Good to hear, RB. I'd still document anything out of the ordinary and perhaps keep an eye out for something else.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Mar 19, 2013 21:38:26 GMT
Yes, I've been saving emails and things. Today for instance we had an email that certain phone numbers were blocked because they were too expensive. So we can't call people in Zimbabwe. I have a student from Zimbabwe starting in April. Bullshit stuff like this happens pretty much weekly.
One of my colleagues says that when we're ready to leave for Australia I shouldn't tell my work I'm leaving, instead I should just call in sick and leave. They will have to then prove I am not sick and that I am not in the country, but they can only do that in court and that would take ages and in the meantime they'd have to keep paying me each month. Very evil and I could never do it but it did make me grin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2013 7:45:25 GMT
Doesn't sound like a good place to work, RB.
Years ago, my dad's workplace tried to kick him out in unfair ways. In the end, it didn't work, but not long after that, the company was broke and had to release everyone.
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Post by tangent on Mar 20, 2013 11:12:43 GMT
My dad's company did that too and reduced him to tears. He hung on and they eventually made him redundant.
I worked for a firm who decided to get rid of everyone over 50. They did this by constructing a bogus assessment of everyone's ability. Two years later they went bankrupt so in the end I came out of it a lot better.
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Post by Alvamiga on Mar 20, 2013 19:51:52 GMT
Companies often do things in an underhanded way to get round the laws.
A friend of mine went for a job interview when she was a couple of months pregnant and, as if by magic, the job had been filled already. A few weeks later, however, it was still being advertised! I wanted her to phone up and enquire about it again, without mentioning who she was to see if it was just to prevent themselves from having to pay maternity money shortly after hiring someone. Sadly, she had just given up and decided not to bother.
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Post by Moose on Mar 20, 2013 22:21:24 GMT
You can sort of see their point tho - I know it does not sound fair but if a small business has to pay someone maternity AND hire someone else, they might well go under
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 9:07:44 GMT
You can sort of see their point tho - I know it does not sound fair but if a small business has to pay someone maternity AND hire someone else, they might well go under Still, it's not fair on women. I once had a colleague who applied for a job elsewhere and didn't get it since she was 27, with a boyfriends and no children yet, so they said she'd probably get pregnant within the upcoming years and they would lose her. At the same time, they don't like taking women who have young children either. Basically, as a woman, you should forget about having children altogether, otherwise people will always be unhappy with you!  |
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Post by Alvamiga on Mar 21, 2013 9:16:57 GMT
Yes, I fully understand why they wouldn't want to hire her, but it is still discrimination under the employment laws and they did just lie to her about it.
I imagine a lot of decisions are made about people's gender, disabilities, race, or whatever, but they just never make it official that that is the reason or they could be prosecuted.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Mar 21, 2013 15:36:25 GMT
Companies and governments don't put enough thought or action into creating more productive environments for women to work in. The problem is society is still too set on the idea that the man works and the woman works until she has a baby. I was reading an interesting article a while back where a woman who had a very busy career in Washington gave it up to take on something quieter and spend more time with her family. Immediately she got a lot of backlash about being a poor represetative for strong, independant career women and how could she give up her job and all that kind of bull. But when a man gives up a demanding career to spend more time with his family we applaud him for it and say what a great bloke!
And recently a friend of mine made a comment on facebook about how wonderful her husband was to give her a day off while he looked after the baby! And all the women were posting how fantastic that was. Meanwhile the hubby gets 364 days off a year. It would help if we realised that men are capable of family life as well as women and that society should cater to allowing time for family for both fathers and mothers.
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Post by tangent on Mar 21, 2013 15:42:24 GMT
The problem is society is still too set on the idea that the man works and the woman works until she has a baby. And that is largely why we have fewer female board members and fewer female members of parliament, not because women are not capable. |
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Post by Alvamiga on Mar 21, 2013 19:50:05 GMT
I know a lot of women who have done exactly that, only returning to work after the kids have grown up. I'd happily look after kids and do housework while someone went to work to earn money to keep us going. It'd give me a lot more feeling of doing something worthwhile than work has ever done.  |
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Post by Shake on Mar 22, 2013 1:43:49 GMT
Companies and governments don't put enough thought or action into creating more productive environments for women to work in. The problem is society is still too set on the idea that the man works and the woman works until she has a baby. I was reading an interesting article a while back where a woman who had a very busy career in Washington gave it up to take on something quieter and spend more time with her family. Immediately she got a lot of backlash about being a poor representative for strong, independent career women and how could she give up her job and all that kind of bull. But when a man gives up a demanding career to spend more time with his family we applaud him for it and say what a great bloke! And recently a friend of mine made a comment on facebook about how wonderful her husband was to give her a day off while he looked after the baby! And all the women were posting how fantastic that was. Meanwhile the hubby gets 364 days off a year. It would help if we realised that men are capable of family life as well as women and that society should cater to allowing time for family for both fathers and mothers. We have friends who had a situation where she's an attorney and he was a physical education teacher. When sometime after having their first child, the taxes she paid nearly equaled his income, he quit and stayed home to raise the child. Now they have 3 kids, and he's been the stay-at-home dad. He's been able to do some part-time coaching, even though that's cost them. As to your latter point, one time when Mrs Shake was out someone commented to her about how nice it was that I was home "babysitting" the kids. She replied that I wasn't "babysitting" as they are my children, and that I was enjoying some good quality time with them. I for one, cherish the times I get with the kids, and now especially as Mrs Shake has taken on the stay-at-home role, I feel it important for her to have some adult time on her own. However, I don't expect any extra praise for doing it, though I still get it sometimes, but I know what you mean. Mother takes 4 kids to the store by herself, and no one thinks anything of it. If I take my 4 kids out to the store by myself, people are like, "Wow! Look at that dad! How brave is he?" Whatever! It irks me to know that there are some fathers who would avoid such situations like the plague. I mean, sure it's easier going out without them, but you can't get back the time spent apart, and for me, I spend more than enough time away from them. |
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Post by Kye on Mar 22, 2013 1:52:47 GMT
Good man!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2013 15:49:42 GMT
I was reading an interesting article a while back where a woman who had a very busy career in Washington gave it up to take on something quieter and spend more time with her family. Immediately she got a lot of backlash about being a poor represetative for strong, independant career women and how could she give up her job and all that kind of bull. But when a man gives up a demanding career to spend more time with his family we applaud him for it and say what a great bloke! I'm facing that problem, in a way. Once I graduate, I am not planning to go on and do a Master's degree, but we'd rather be open for children at that point and to be honest, I'd rather have children first than build up my career first becuase I've encountered too many women who, at age 37 or 38, suddenly realised with a shock that they'd need to hurry up if they still want to fit children in. My friend seems to be turning into one of those women. But she is modern and focusing on her career. I hardly ever dare to tell anyone that having children is more important to me than a career (although I wouldn't mind a good career). |
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Post by Moose on Mar 23, 2013 18:37:34 GMT
Haha at thirty seven i am still waiting to feel maternal
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Post by Miisa on Mar 23, 2013 18:47:31 GMT
Heh, I am still waiting for it to set in after two kids...
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Post by Kye on Mar 23, 2013 19:13:46 GMT
Now that my kids are grown, I can go back to being non-maternal. |
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Post by Moose on Mar 23, 2013 20:16:50 GMT
Maybe I could adopt a twenty five year old.
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Post by Kye on Mar 23, 2013 20:51:50 GMT
You can have my 23 year old. She's mostly house broken.
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Post by Alvamiga on Mar 23, 2013 21:47:12 GMT
Are you sure you don't mean "mostly broken the house?"  |
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Post by tangent on Mar 23, 2013 21:52:15 GMT
Is 'house broken' the opposite of 'house trained'?
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Post by Kye on Mar 23, 2013 21:56:06 GMT
She has broken some of the house, although not as much as the dog has. House broken and house trained are the same, I think.
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 23, 2013 22:42:34 GMT
She has broken some of the house, although not as much as the dog has. House broken and house trained are the same, I think. I'm quite sure, as 'house broken' means that the animal is 'potty trained' and, within reason, trained to the appropriate attitude about the household furniture. This can 'slip' at times, like when cats will use select pieces as scratching posts.... |
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Post by ProdigalAlan on Apr 1, 2013 23:07:58 GMT
Oh yeah .... Where have I been? At the bottom of a deep dark pit and I am still there. Unable to answer a phone or do just about anything. Jo I got your message about your father, I am so sorry. I would have replied if
I humanly could.
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Post by Moose on Apr 1, 2013 23:50:34 GMT
*huggles Alan*. I am so sorry. Am in one of those 'not sure what to say' places.
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Post by charliebrown on Apr 2, 2013 8:14:47 GMT
I was thinking of you yesterday Alan.
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Post by tangent on Apr 2, 2013 10:16:52 GMT
Hi Alan, it's horrible when you feel like that. I hope it doesn't last too long.
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Post by bill on Apr 2, 2013 11:02:28 GMT
*huggles Alan*. I am so sorry. Am in one of those 'not sure what to say' places. My thoughts exactly. Any advice would probably sound trite and you have probably heard it before. |
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Post by ProdigalAlan on Apr 2, 2013 11:19:26 GMT
It is difficult. That's why I stay away so much. Nobody, least of all me, wants to her how much I want call it a day and check out.
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