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Post by kingedmund on Mar 22, 2020 5:17:05 GMT
Marco Polo App has been wonderful for us. I use it with all my family, friends, and neighbors.
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Post by tangent on Mar 22, 2020 21:44:51 GMT
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Post by Elis on Mar 22, 2020 22:02:00 GMT
Let's see if that works. I'm glad we get to go outside as a family, the rest I can live with.
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Post by ceptimus on Mar 23, 2020 0:12:21 GMT
The countries that have "beaten the virus" (for some meaning of 'beaten'), everyone wears masks whenever they're outdoors or in shops or similar. Maybe just a coincidence? No drive in Europe or U.S. to encourage mask wearing yet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 4:15:46 GMT
I reckon that there was no recommendation to wear masks (in Europe and the Americas) to prevent panic buying and supply shortages. You could be sure that someone somewhere would be sitting on a mountain of masks while doctors and nurses were struggling to protect themselves.
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Post by Mari on Mar 23, 2020 7:00:30 GMT
There is a shortage of masks here and we're all being asked to hand over any masks we may have for medical personnel to use.
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Post by ceptimus on Mar 23, 2020 8:15:58 GMT
There's some doublethink in the official advice we're getting:
* Masks don't offer any real protection against virus spread.
* It's vitality important that medical staff have enough masks to protect them.
At least one of those statements must be wrong.
The sort of masks the doctors and nurses are short of, are different from the ones Chinese people wear in the streets. The doctors and nurses, when up close to patients, wear tight fitting masks with a rubber seal that fits airtight against their faces.
The simple cloth masks worn in the streets don't seal at all, and when you breath in, most of the air you breathe passes through the gaps around your nose. These offer little or no protection to the wearer, but do help protect against the wearer infecting others - lots of the tiny, virus containing, water droplets in the air breathed out are caught by the mask.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 10:08:57 GMT
although masks are not simple solution, they do offer some protection in two ways: (1) catches the germs from an infected person who is coughing all over the place and (2) stops you touching your face and transferring the virus from something you've touched.
When you're wearing a mask you're more aware of others spreading germs and less inclined to touch your face because there's sth in the way.
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Post by Kye on Mar 23, 2020 10:58:08 GMT
I've heard that masks are helpful when you need to be close to an infected person (like doctors and nurses) but don't make any difference if you're over 2 meters away because the virus is tranfered via droplet rather than being airborne. Hence the social distancing.
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Post by Elis on Mar 23, 2020 22:05:59 GMT
The masks are also not effective for a longer space of time from what I've heard.
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Post by ceptimus on Mar 23, 2020 22:17:00 GMT
But the advice - the law even - is clearly very different in China, Japan, South Korea, ... If you don't wear a mask out on the street there, you can be fined or arrested.
So which countries are correct here? Are the Asian countries enforcing nonsensical measures, or are the European ones failing to even recommend these measures (possibly because of a mask shortage)?
But if simple masks were deemed useful, though in short supply, there is a potential army of home workers out there - equipped with sewing machines and old tee shirts - ready to manufacture loads of simple masks. I read that this is happening in some countries, but certainly not the UK (yet anyway).
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Post by juju on Mar 24, 2020 0:03:10 GMT
So we’re now on serious lockdown- about time.
I don’t know when I’ll see any of my children or family again. Also I was supposed to be meeting a friend (keeping lots of distance) to collect a rescue dog this weekend. Her husband is really unwell (not corona but she has to isolate) and she can’t manage them - if I don’t take one it’ll have to be rehomed. I doubt that counts as an ‘essential journey’ though? I don’t want to get stopped by the police!
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Post by kingedmund on Mar 24, 2020 1:13:30 GMT
Not to add bad ideas but I’ve had this weird thought that what if this bankrupts the western world. That this virus was a catalyst for this. It’s just a thought though, but I can’t help but wonder with all the signs. Let’s hope not ..... as I shudder at the thought.
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 24, 2020 2:24:05 GMT
Why just the 'western world'? It's not like this gives much credence to imaginary human boundaries.
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Post by Moose on Mar 24, 2020 3:22:48 GMT
It's weird, I've heard very little about how the developing world is doing with this. It's like our media only cares about the West
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 3:57:12 GMT
So we’re now on serious lockdown- about time. I don’t know when I’ll see any of my children or family again. Also I was supposed to be meeting a friend (keeping lots of distance) to collect a rescue dog this weekend. Her husband is really unwell (not corona but she has to isolate) and she can’t manage them - if I don’t take one it’ll have to be rehomed. I doubt that counts as an ‘essential journey’ though? I don’t want to get stopped by the police! daily exercise is OK. Can you exercise to the same place to collect the dog? Somehow your friend has to pass on the dog. Whether that's to you or return to the rescue. I hope there's a safe solution to this situation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 3:58:28 GMT
The masks are also not effective for a longer space of time from what I've heard. you have to typically replace them daily depending on how long you wear them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 4:06:51 GMT
But the advice - the law even - is clearly very different in China, Japan, South Korea, ... If you don't wear a mask out on the street there, you can be fined or arrested. So which countries are correct here? Are the Asian countries enforcing nonsensical measures, or are the European ones failing to even recommend these measures (possibly because of a mask shortage)? But if simple masks were deemed useful, though in short supply, there is a potential army of home workers out there - equipped with sewing machines and old tee shirts - ready to manufacture loads of simple masks. I read that this is happening in some countries, but certainly not the UK (yet anyway). there's a whole range of masks available - from homemade to industrial standard. Nobody is checking the quality, it's just important that you have one to reduce the infection risk to you and others. In Asian countries wearing a mask is like carrying an umbrella to block the sun's rays. It's not unusual. Of course, like everywhere, there are those who refuse to comply. Just like those packing the beaches and parks last weekend. They're the ones who feel the force of the law...
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Post by juju on Mar 24, 2020 6:54:00 GMT
So we’re now on serious lockdown- about time. I don’t know when I’ll see any of my children or family again. Also I was supposed to be meeting a friend (keeping lots of distance) to collect a rescue dog this weekend. Her husband is really unwell (not corona but she has to isolate) and she can’t manage them - if I don’t take one it’ll have to be rehomed. I doubt that counts as an ‘essential journey’ though? I don’t want to get stopped by the police! daily exercise is OK. Can you exercise to the same place to collect the dog? Somehow your friend has to pass on the dog. Whether that's to you or return to the rescue. I hope there's a safe solution to this situation. Unfortunately my friend lives nearly 200 miles away! The plan had been to meet at a midway point, somewhere open air, and do the handover at a distance. There would be no risk to anyone like that but I’m worried I’ll get stopped and get into trouble.
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Post by tangent on Mar 24, 2020 9:06:02 GMT
A BBC commentator observed last night that (a) the police want to act by persuasion and not with the force of law, and (b) it is not clear what counts as essential. If your action is reasonable to protect the mental well-being of your friend and if you take precautions, it is unlikely you will be criticised.
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Post by JoeP on Mar 24, 2020 10:39:04 GMT
So we’re now on serious lockdown- about time. I don’t know when I’ll see any of my children or family again. Also I was supposed to be meeting a friend (keeping lots of distance) to collect a rescue dog this weekend. Her husband is really unwell (not corona but she has to isolate) and she can’t manage them - if I don’t take one it’ll have to be rehomed. I doubt that counts as an ‘essential journey’ though? I don’t want to get stopped by the police! As well as tangent's point, I'm sure the police will focus on larger groups, not two people plus a dog. Especially if those two people are observing 2m distance. Just don't go to a well-known beauty spot where thousands of English people have come to "escape" the virus ... I can't believe the scenes of full car parks in Snowdonia!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 10:59:52 GMT
daily exercise is OK. Can you exercise to the same place to collect the dog? Somehow your friend has to pass on the dog. Whether that's to you or return to the rescue. I hope there's a safe solution to this situation. Unfortunately my friend lives nearly 200 miles away! The plan had been to meet at a midway point, somewhere open air, and do the handover at a distance. There would be no risk to anyone like that but I’m worried I’ll get stopped and get into trouble. that's unfortunate. And there's probably no-one to ask if it's OK to drive 100 miles, and especially get a positive answer. I don't know what I'd do if I were in your shoes. There's a good reason for the lockdown. I don't want to suggest you break it 😉
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Post by Moose on Mar 25, 2020 1:22:07 GMT
Like Steve said, I doubt the police will be that fussed ... ultimately, there are sixty million people in this country and they can't be everywhere at once.
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Post by Elis on Mar 25, 2020 9:11:47 GMT
At least in Germany, animal welfare is still very important, even at this time. So I think even if police did stop you, you could explain it and it would be a very good reason. But I also doubt they would. I think they are busy with bigger problems than someone meeting someone to pick up a rescue dog.
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Post by tangent on Mar 25, 2020 11:28:37 GMT
I think they are busy with bigger problems than someone meeting someone to pick up a rescue dog. Like the police in Coventry who broke up a barbecue with 20 or more people standing shoulder to shoulder.
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Post by whollygoats on Mar 25, 2020 15:41:29 GMT
Well....It now seems that the UK has a significant influencer who is infected. Chuckie is infected.
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Post by Kye on Mar 25, 2020 16:11:35 GMT
Chuckie?
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Post by tangent on Mar 25, 2020 16:57:18 GMT
Prince Charles, although I wouldn't call him a significant influencer.
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Post by Kye on Mar 25, 2020 17:09:22 GMT
WG, do all Americans give disparaging nicknames to people they don't like, or just you and your president?
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Post by Moose on Mar 25, 2020 23:58:37 GMT
He's often known as Chuck or Chuckie here He must have interacted with a LOT of people recently
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