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Post by whollygoats on Apr 22, 2013 18:38:37 GMT
Well...I'm an 'anti-tropical'...I despise tropical climate....but I must admit that I would like to see Bali, and I have a passing historical interest in Borobudur and Palembang of the Srivijaya empire, and I'd actually like doing a maritime passage of the Malacca Strait.
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Post by raspberrybullets on Apr 22, 2013 19:16:13 GMT
Tropical climates are the best! All the time warm and moist. And you get mangoes.
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Post by Mari on Apr 22, 2013 19:35:52 GMT
Ugh, that muggy warmth is terrible. Though I did enjoy Okinawa, but we didn't go in the hot season. Nara during a heat wave is horrible.
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Post by JoeP on Apr 22, 2013 20:07:19 GMT
I'll never go to Bali now, I know that. Thought of visiting Oz, but am not very travelly, so may never leave this country again. Not even the UK for a moot? It's practically next door. I'm sure you're more travelly than La Moose.
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Post by tangent on Apr 22, 2013 20:14:25 GMT
I once looked into the cheapest way to fly to Helsinki and found that a flight to Tallinn and a helicopter hop across the Baltic sea was roughly half the cost of a regular flight to Helsinki.
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Post by Miisa on Apr 22, 2013 20:17:49 GMT
I got over-travelled out as a child, I think. Am very much a homey person now. Which is a shame, as my sisters are all over he place.
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Post by JoeP on Apr 22, 2013 20:20:34 GMT
That could be worth knowing, Steve. Not sure I would have considered that as a possibility!
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Post by JoeP on Apr 22, 2013 20:22:00 GMT
Miisa, what you're saying is that you just don't like us that much.
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Post by Alvamiga on Apr 22, 2013 20:32:53 GMT
From mine to Moose's is getting right up to the break point where air travel starts to equal trains on both time and cost. By the time it gets to Glasgow, it would start to be worth it.
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Post by Miisa on Apr 22, 2013 20:39:47 GMT
Miisa, what you're saying is that you just don't like us that much. Yes, that's what I'm saying.
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Post by JoeP on Apr 22, 2013 21:06:46 GMT
You had to go and say it, didn't you. That's it, I'm never visiting here again.
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Post by whollygoats on Apr 23, 2013 1:13:22 GMT
Tropical climates are the best! All the time warm and moist. And you get mangoes. I get fungal colonies. Intimate ones.
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Post by Miisa on Apr 23, 2013 6:54:09 GMT
You had to go and say it, didn't you. That's it, I'm never visiting here again. Ooh, a passive-aggressiveness match!
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Post by raspberrybullets on Apr 23, 2013 7:46:36 GMT
Tropical climates are the best! All the time warm and moist. And you get mangoes. I get fungal colonies. Intimate ones. Well then you can always do a stopover in New Zealand on the way to Oz. You'd be coming from that direction anyway. I'm sure you would prefer that.
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Post by Alvamiga on Apr 23, 2013 8:23:47 GMT
From here, almost everything's on the way to Australia!
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Post by raspberrybullets on Apr 23, 2013 8:26:39 GMT
Ah but they never send you over the Atlantic, the US and the pacific. They always send you over Europe and Asia to get to Oz. Is the distance almost equal I wonder?
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Post by Alvamiga on Apr 23, 2013 8:38:50 GMT
I think it's about the same, just a lot less over water so far from land. I'm sure if you wanted to go that way you'd be able to arrange the flights, but I assume that sitting in a metal tube for many, many hours is pretty much the same, no matter which direction you go in.
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Post by whollygoats on Apr 23, 2013 13:58:40 GMT
I get fungal colonies. Intimate ones. Well then you can always do a stopover in New Zealand on the way to Oz. You'd be coming from that direction anyway. I'm sure you would prefer that. Oh, yes... ...Quite. I have friends in Melbourne. From what I hear, the climate there is quite sufferable.
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Post by whollygoats on Apr 23, 2013 14:01:22 GMT
I think it's about the same, just a lot less over water so far from land. I'm sure if you wanted to go that way you'd be able to arrange the flights, but I assume that sitting in a metal tube for many, many hours is pretty much the same, no matter which direction you go in. I suppose you could fly mostly south across Africa, then continue across Antarctica and come in to Australia from the south, eh?
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Post by raspberrybullets on Apr 23, 2013 14:05:58 GMT
Well then you can always do a stopover in New Zealand on the way to Oz. You'd be coming from that direction anyway. I'm sure you would prefer that. Oh, yes... ...Quite. I have friends in Melbourne. From what I hear, the climate there is quite sufferable. Just so long as you come in the Melbourne winter.
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Post by Moose on Apr 23, 2013 15:56:01 GMT
I don't mind heat but only cos I rarely experience it. I think a tropical climate would annoy me after a little while .. say half an hour.
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Post by tangent on Apr 23, 2013 16:13:34 GMT
Homes and supermarkets are usually air conditioned and so you would stay out of the heat during midday.
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Post by Mari on Apr 23, 2013 16:58:25 GMT
Which actually makes the air outside hotter.
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Post by tangent on Apr 23, 2013 17:14:09 GMT
Only if you stand next to the air vent
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Post by Mari on Apr 23, 2013 17:17:19 GMT
No, it heats up the air by about 3 degrees in a city. I read that somewhere once.
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Post by tangent on Apr 23, 2013 17:57:31 GMT
I'm dubious of that figure.
It's often said that cities are hotter than the surrounding rural area, typically by about 2°C (the urban heat island effect). However, most of this effect is caused by the materials that are used that absorb the sun's rays rather than the effect of air conditioning and other appliances.
The heating effect caused by air conditioning is in proportion to the amount of electricity they use. Typically, a city uses 4kW of electricity per person for all appliances (air conditioning, fridges, lights, electronic gadgets, washing machines and driers for example). Air conditioning can, certainly, be a large proportion of this but if air conditioning were to raise the outside temperature by 3°C, the other appliances would raise it by a much larger amount and the city would fry.
We should also look at the heating effect of the sun. On a clear day, the sun heats up each square meter of a city such as Melbourne with 200 to 400 watts. Typically, your house might occupy 500 square meters of land, which means the sun is heating up your plot of land with 100 to 200 kW of heat. Air conditioning units typically use 1kW of electricity, which is quite tiny compared with the heating effect of the sun.
So, all in all, I would have thought 0.03°C would be a better estimate.
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Post by Mari on Apr 23, 2013 18:29:09 GMT
They were talking about Tokyo, I remember that much. But reading your post I guess you're right.
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Post by tangent on Apr 23, 2013 18:56:50 GMT
Ah, Tokyo is much more densely packed than Melbourne. This link says that "the waste heat from air conditioners causes a temperature rise of 1°–2°C or more on weekdays in Tokyo office areas." On average over the whole city it will be less, of course.
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Post by Alvamiga on Apr 23, 2013 20:17:25 GMT
If it's getting hotter, then they obviously need more air conditioners!
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Post by Mari on Apr 23, 2013 20:21:07 GMT
Of course.
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