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Post by whollygoats on Dec 24, 2012 2:19:23 GMT
I hope your Solstice was warm, dry and enlightened.
Remember, Groundhog's Day is only a little over a month away....Are you prepared?
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Post by tangent on Dec 24, 2012 6:15:03 GMT
I don't think our local butcher does groundhog
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Post by jayme on Dec 24, 2012 12:23:20 GMT
Ours does ground chuck.
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Post by whollygoats on Dec 24, 2012 13:21:08 GMT
The sausage for patties is ground hog.
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Post by Shake on Dec 24, 2012 19:21:46 GMT
Am I prepared? I have bacon. What more do I need?
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Post by jayme on Dec 24, 2012 20:41:09 GMT
Am I prepared? I have bacon. What more do I need? Beer and chocolate.
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Post by whollygoats on Dec 24, 2012 21:24:59 GMT
There is no truer test of one's arterial flow.
He said, "Let there be bacon." And there was.
And it was good.
Really good.
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Post by whollygoats on Dec 24, 2012 21:37:47 GMT
I would consider Groundhog's Day a symbolic re-enactment of the classic rude awakening. There the somnolent marmot is rudely awakened from its slumber and thrust into the brash light of day (and a brazillion flashes) for the purposes of prognosticating on some old climatic wives' tale. If it is bright an clear, and the groundhog...usually some kind of marmot....sees his shadow, he is reputedly 'scared' and scurries back to his hole for more hibernation, and 'six more weeks of winter' ensues. If he doesn't see his shadow....well, I guess then we go directly to high summer. The superstituous hope very much for cloudy, overcast days. It has no bearing on the subsequent climatic conditions, so far as I can see...but there you are.
Its part of the controversy over when is the end of winter and when, consequently is the beginning of that same winter? Early February (Groundhog's Day is February 2) is roughly six weeks after the peak of winter, the Winter Solstice on December 21. Thereafter is early spring. This, of course means that summer begins earlier than June 21, which is the peak of summer, or Midsummer. That makes May Day, approximately six weeks earlier, the beginning of summer.
For some reason, here in the US, we've come to think of the Solstices and Equinoxes as the 'beginning' of that particular season. This is a separate understanding than that of the traditional European tradition, that those days are the peaks of the seasons; Midsummer, Midwinter, Midspring, Midautumn.
Am I splitting hairs...or, hares?
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Post by Shake on Dec 25, 2012 19:40:12 GMT
Am I prepared? I have bacon. What more do I need? Beer and chocolate. Check and check. Cooked up 2 lbs of bacon and made pancakes for breakfast.
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Post by Moose on Dec 25, 2012 20:22:50 GMT
blimey. And you had room for dinner?!
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Post by Miisa on Dec 25, 2012 21:59:09 GMT
The English word "midsummer" is indeed misleading. At least here that celebration means the beginning of proper summer, just as the winter quite often starts around the end of December (although this year we have had a lot of snow and freezer-esque temperatures already since mid-November). And having winter ever end in February seems bizarre to me, as that is the coldest and most consistently wintery month here. But we do usually lose our snow by May Day. Usually. So I would count April as being a spring month. March mostly a still winter one.
I guess the idea of having snow at Christmas but not otherwise is also strange to me, but that is part of the whole Christmas mythos, inherited from Dickens.
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Post by jayme on Dec 25, 2012 22:32:37 GMT
Well, if you lived in a proper, civilized climate you might have just gotten your first snow last week, just in time for Christmas like we did. *looks smug*
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Post by Miisa on Dec 26, 2012 9:22:17 GMT
I remember several years in a row where we had no snow in the beginning of January (f. ex. my son's birthday is the 11th and we got our first snow that day the day he was born).
My point is, are seasons really so different in other lands that one might expect snow in December (which is only barely winter) and yet also expect spring to start in February (when we have our "proper" winter)?
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Post by tangent on Dec 26, 2012 13:00:19 GMT
Winter depends to a certain extent on the winds and ocean currents. Reverse the Gulf Stream and you have Winter all the year round in Britain. This year, the Jet Stream ran a few hundred miles south of its normal position and gave us a cold, wet summer. So, yes, the seasons are only nominal.
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Post by Miisa on Dec 26, 2012 14:42:44 GMT
So you seasons are shifted to happen two months before ours? Does your high summer then also occur in June?
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Post by Sarah W. on Dec 26, 2012 15:24:43 GMT
We subscribe to the Finnish version of winter here in Minnesota. (Though not having snow until January would be extremely unusual - first snow is anywhere from October to December here) I guess that's why so many Finnish people settled here when they immigrated - it reminded them of home.
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Post by Miisa on Dec 26, 2012 15:48:40 GMT
I meant the permanent snow, it would also be very unusual for us not to have any at all before the new year, but usually it will melt a few times before staying around. This year we had such cold weather for so long and so early that the permanent snow has been pushed back to about a month ago.
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Post by whollygoats on Dec 26, 2012 19:40:31 GMT
We subscribe to the Finnish version of winter here in Minnesota. (Though not having snow until January would be extremely unusual - first snow is anywhere from October to December here) I guess that's why so many Finnish people settled here when they immigrated - it reminded them of home. I'll bet that many of them came by way of Astoria, Oregon. The town is so Finnish that they even enroll children who don't speak English in the home, but Finnish. It's also one of the wettest places in all of generally very wet western Oregon, stuck between the Pacific Ocean and the temperate rain forests of the Coast Range. It doesn't snow much there, though.
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Post by Miisa on Dec 26, 2012 20:13:22 GMT
Minnesota and Northern Michigan are indeed the areas that Finns are famous for going to, though my own relative that I know of went to Canada. Haven't heard of any Oregon settlements before.
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Post by whollygoats on Dec 26, 2012 20:23:02 GMT
Canada...Minnesota and northern Michigan...same difference. Like upstate New York and backcountry Maine, they are just little chunks of Canuckistan embedded in the US.
So, did the Finns push the Norwegians and Swedes into the Dakotas and lower Michigan? Y'know, the ol' "There goes the neighborhood" when a Finn family moves in, and the prior Scandinavians decide it is time to move on to an even more desolate location?
And I thought that EVERYBODY in Finland knew about Astoria.
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Post by tangent on Dec 26, 2012 20:23:06 GMT
So you seasons are shifted to happen two months before ours? Does your high summer then also occur in June? It varies from year to year. August usually has the hottest average temperatures. This year, the last two weeks in May were a lot hotter than the following six weeks and August was about the same as the second half of May.
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Post by Miisa on Dec 26, 2012 20:27:59 GMT
I know about Astoria otherwise (go Goonies!) but not about any Finnish population...
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Post by juju on Dec 27, 2012 1:22:33 GMT
Torrential rain and serious flooding here in Wales, for most of the last month. Actually this was the case all summer, too. Dunno how climate change is affecting you guys, but here in the western part of Britland it's just getting wetter and wetter every year.
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Post by Fr. Gruesome on Dec 27, 2012 13:20:27 GMT
For ferro-equinological reasons I have been watching a web-cam in central Austria, there is virtually no snow there at all. Mordor is rejoicing in warm rain presently.
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Post by Kye on Dec 27, 2012 14:13:56 GMT
It is pouring down snow here at the moment. I woke up wondering why it was so dark. We're looking at up to 30cm today.
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Post by Shake on Dec 27, 2012 18:19:09 GMT
blimey. And you had room for dinner?! I didn't say I ate all 2 lbs of bacon. I had a few slices, then maybe 3 pancakes. Dinner was hours later, so yes, I had room. Mrs Shake made ham, mashed potatoes, corn, a green bean casserole, and we had some rolls.
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Post by Shake on Dec 27, 2012 18:38:15 GMT
Officially, we had 8.5" (21.6 cm) overnight, and just as I was finishing up the driveway today, we started getting some more. This stuff was very fine particulate, almost like very tiny hail, so it hasn't amounted to very much more ... maybe another inch or two. The system appears to be moving out, though.
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Post by Kye on Dec 27, 2012 19:04:53 GMT
It's still coming down like crazy here. Going out my front door was a challenge. The snow was over my knees.
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Post by Moose on Dec 27, 2012 23:11:57 GMT
God you Finns do get around.
I never eat brekkie on Xmas morning or I don't have room for dinner
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Post by whollygoats on Dec 27, 2012 23:17:04 GMT
God you Finns do get around. Rather like viruses.
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